From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/69014 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: jidanni@jidanni.org Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: .newsrc.eld is a black hole for old groups Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 02:29:51 +0800 Message-ID: <87fxao9i3k.fsf@jidanni.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1253040880 8000 80.91.229.12 (15 Sep 2009 18:54:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 18:54:40 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M17428@lists.math.uh.edu Tue Sep 15 20:54:33 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MndAb-0000Qg-4l for ding-account@gmane.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2009 20:54:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Mnd9x-0001LN-LR; Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:53:49 -0500 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Mnd9v-0001L4-OC for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:53:47 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mnd9u-0006Fn-FH for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:53:47 -0500 Original-Received: from caiajhbdcbhh.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.177] helo=homiemail-a3.g.dreamhost.com) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1MndAW-0006dn-00 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2009 20:54:24 +0200 Original-Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-1-149.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.1.149]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by homiemail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6EB5C5B98 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2009 11:53:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:69014 Archived-At: Gentlemen, check your .newsrc.eld files. You will find tons of crap groups you thought you had totally deleted long ago. The funny thing is there is no (info "(gnus) Listing Groups") key that will list them, C-u argument or not. You might think C-u A k might show them, but it shows a lot more too, and whatever you do will not get them out of your .newsrc.eld file. This I can see in *Group* ("nnrss:DebCentral" 6 (1) ((seen (1 . 19))) (nnrss "") ((timestamp 17376 17743))) But this is in no way accessible there: ("gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.announce" 6 ((1 . 62)) ((seen (1 . 62)) (save 54)) nil ((timestamp 18814 473))) So I conclude the .newsrc.eld file is a never ending black hole that can fill up with old groups, with no interface available to the user to clean it up ever, short of open heart surgery on the .newsrc.eld file itself. Apparently once a group falls off the gnus-topic-alist, its records become orphan data in the .newsrc.eld file... a "memory leak"? Also in ~/News there are files corresponding to those newsgroups with no other way to clean them up other than going in by hand... Nothing special in http://jidanni.org/comp/configuration/ to cause it.