From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/56638 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: era+gmane@iki.fi Newsgroups: gmane.discuss,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: [Q]: How good is gmane for you ? Date: 09 Mar 2004 18:20:16 +0200 Organization: People Who Are Not Old Enough For Unix (Honorary Member Emeritus) Sender: gmane-discuss-admin@hawk.netfonds.no Message-ID: <87fzciuhbl.fsf@era.iki.fi> References: <87r7w9d2x1.fsf@unix.home.local> <87fzcnm4x3.fsf@unix.home.local> <87smgmrvxr.fsf@unix.home.local> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1078849274 13315 80.91.224.253 (9 Mar 2004 16:21:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 16:21:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: gmane-discuss-admin@hawk.netfonds.no Tue Mar 09 17:21:05 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1B0jya-0004wl-00 for ; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 17:21:04 +0100 Original-Received: from hawk.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.246]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1B0jya-0005It-00 for ; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 17:21:04 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hawk.netfonds.no) by hawk.netfonds.no with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1B0jyY-0004KX-00; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 17:21:02 +0100 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.224.249]) by hawk.netfonds.no with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1B0jy0-0004K9-00 for ; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 17:20:28 +0100 Original-Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1B0jy0-0000Ui-00 for ; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 17:20:28 +0100 Original-Received: from fsgw.f-secure.com ([193.110.108.33]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 17:20:28 +0100 Original-Received: from era+gmane by fsgw.f-secure.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 17:20:28 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: gmane-discuss@hawk.netfonds.no Original-To: gmane-discuss@hawk.netfonds.no Original-Lines: 37 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: fsgw.f-secure.com Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 Errors-To: gmane-discuss-admin@hawk.netfonds.no X-BeenThere: gmane-discuss@hawk.netfonds.no X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.discuss:5717 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:56638 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:56638 On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 15:39:44 +0300, deskpot@despammed.com (Vasily Korytov) posted to gmane.emacs.gnus.general, gmane.discuss: > On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 16:24:26 -0800, Jon Ericson wrote: >> deskpot@despammed.com (Vasily Korytov) writes: >>> I hate spam too (but I rely only on spamassassin and some header and >>> blacklist checks). Unfortunately, gmane spam filters are not good enough >>> for me (speaking honestly, they definitely _suck_: e.g. in >>> gmane.emacs.xemacs.user.russian they appear to filter legimate mail, but >>> pass a lot of spam), so, for some groups I prefer checking spam myself >> Filtering legitimate mail is a major problem in my opinion. Have you >> noticed which rules falsely label mail as spam? > I belive, I didn't. Sorry. But I think, SUBJ_FULL_OF_8BITS is one of > them. >> If I understand correctly, having people actively correct spam >> identification problems will help Gmane detect spam more accurately. > Well, I tried to mark message as spam -- and not as spam, but, I belive, > too few times: on dial-up this is really uncomfortable. I went over that particular group and tried to the best of my ability to fix it (but that includes complete disability to understand any Russian, although I guess I manage to decipher a bit of cyrillics when I have to). It should be moderately readable over Loom now, but of course, the NNTP view will only have the spam marked whenever Lars runs another commit run. The list really has been getting a lot of spam lately. Having it set up to subscribers only would definitely help. There seems to be a fairly stable set of regular posters but of course, if you're not one of them, that doesn't help much, usability-wise. /* era */ -- formail -s procmail http://www.euro.cauce.org/ cat | more | cathttp://www.debian.org/