From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/40659 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Matt Armstrong" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: maildir - whats the skinny? Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 21:58:28 -0700 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: <87g06syk5n.fsf@squeaker.lickey.com> References: <878zcltaod.fsf@squeaker.lickey.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035176175 2119 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 04:56:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 04:56:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org Return-Path: Original-Received: (qmail 12036 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 04:59:20 -0000 Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu (mail@129.7.128.13) by mastaler.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 04:59:20 -0000 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 16AlBv-0005Sg-00; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 22:58:55 -0600 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Sun, 02 Dec 2001 22:58:40 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (qmailr@sclp3.sclp.com [209.196.61.66]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA21412 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 22:58:28 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (qmail 12027 invoked by alias); 3 Dec 2001 04:58:38 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 12022 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 04:58:37 -0000 Original-Received: from hank.lickey.com (sigsegv@64.81.100.235) by gnus.org with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 04:58:37 -0000 Original-Received: from squeaker.lickey.com (squeaker.lickey.com [192.168.100.10]) by hank.lickey.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6884EE3A for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 21:58:36 -0700 (MST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by squeaker.lickey.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B81FBC144 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 21:58:35 -0700 (MST) Original-Received: by squeaker.lickey.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A4903C151; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 21:58:34 -0700 (MST) Mail-Copies-To: never Original-To: Harry Putnam Mail-Followup-To: reader@newsguy.com, ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: (Harry Putnam's message of "Sun, 02 Dec 2001 20:08:52 -0800") Original-Lines: 49 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090004 (Oort Gnus v0.04) Emacs/21.1 (i386-debian-linux-gnu) X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA v0.42/Python 2.1.1 (linux2) X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:40659 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:40659 Harry Putnam writes: > I had sought to avoid some other pitfalls I ran into by staying > clear of mbox format. But looks like it may not be possible. So > figuring a way to fix the pitfalls is next. I'd like to have a 'directory' mail source that supported Maildir spool folders, if only to avoid the mbox escaping of "^From " in the message body. > Each beginning with what `formail' thinks are more message headers. Slightly off topic, but formail has an -m argument. By default formail will think it sees a new message when it sees 2 headers in a row. Use -m 5 and it'll require 5 headers, which might fix the problem. > And then get some kind of smooth working technique for posting from > those nnml groups. At that point I will say goodbye to gnus-agent. I run "leafnode" (http://www.leafnode.org) to have a local nntp cache of the groups I read. Accessing the messages is still slower than an nntp group, but fast enough for me. Leafnode allows you to post to it, and then it goes and posts to the main server when you tell it to. So even if you don't read news via leafnode, you can post to leafnode as a kind of nntp send queue. (there may be a better way though) > Nifty as the agent is it has never been fully integrated into > gnus. And has always had some semi-major irritations. I think I > will enjoy having full functionallity on news this way. Prompted by some recent discussion here about Wanderlust, I checked it out and was impressed. It appeared generally faster than Gnus and to have a better (or, at least, less organically grown) back end system that supported a richer set of disconnected modes. E.g. you can have mail stored in a plain Maildir, and Wanderlust will cache metadata in a separate dir -- so you end up with the functional equivalent to nnml but with a plain Maildir folder (which procmail can deliver to directly). But, alas, as far as I could tell it didn't have a way to read mail "newsreader style" where only new messages show by default, so with Gnus I stay. I also have considerable inertia invested in Gnus over the years. ;-) -- matt