From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/40076 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Matt Armstrong" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: thoughts on spam Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 13:02:09 -0700 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: <87g07r7jni.fsf@squeaker.lickey.com> References: <87y9m9fs6b.fsf@squeaker.lickey.com> <20011102235444.E9C73BD48@squeaker.lickey.com> <87n122s9k8.fsf@squeaker.lickey.com> <87g07tgqeu.fsf@squeaker.lickey.com> <871yjdc5wq.fsf@squeaker.lickey.com> <874ro796v8.fsf@squeaker.lickey.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035175682 31317 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 04:48:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 04:48:02 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org Return-Path: Original-Received: (qmail 29928 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2001 20:04:57 -0000 Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu (mail@129.7.128.13) by mastaler.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2001 20:04:57 -0000 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 161CR2-0001R0-00; Tue, 06 Nov 2001 14:03:00 -0600 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Tue, 06 Nov 2001 14:02:41 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (qmailr@sclp3.sclp.com [209.196.61.66]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA19726 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 14:02:24 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (qmail 29893 invoked by alias); 6 Nov 2001 20:02:30 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 29888 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2001 20:02:29 -0000 Original-Received: from hank.lickey.com (64.81.100.235) by gnus.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 2001 20:02:29 -0000 Original-Received: from squeaker.lickey.com (squeaker.lickey.com [192.168.100.10]) by hank.lickey.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1E97EDA7 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:02:14 -0700 (MST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by squeaker.lickey.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9ECCBD4D for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:02:13 -0700 (MST) Original-Received: by squeaker.lickey.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 93725BD48; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:02:11 -0700 (MST) Original-To: Harry Putnam Mail-Followup-To: reader@newsguy.com, ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: (Harry Putnam's message of "Tue, 06 Nov 2001 10:51:46 -0800") Original-Lines: 36 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090004 (Oort Gnus v0.04) Emacs/21.1 (i386-debian-linux-gnu) X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA v0.40/Python 1.5.2 (linux2) X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:40076 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:40076 Harry Putnam writes: > "Matt Armstrong" writes: > > [...] > >> The mail was preserved in the IncomingXXX files, yes, thanks to my >> having mail-source-delete-incoming set to nil. > > `mail-source-delete-incoming' is set to nil by default in alpha > gnus. Has been for years. You are thanking the wrong party. > > There was a short time a few mnths ago when that got set to t by > accident in a tarball (or maybe it was on cvs for a few days). It > was duly noted here and quickly changed. > > Gnus authors, contibutors etc have taken actual `mail loss' very > seriously right along. I missed the short lived mess Karl > K. mentioned. And I think he said it was fairly short lived too. > > The reason I kept on with this discussion is because you made a > point in counter to `Rat' that if we/you dropped software because it > screwed us we would drop gnus. > > However, if I understood `Rat' correctly he was taling about mail > being thoroughly trashed, not surviving in special backupfiles > provided by the software in question. I'm no longer entirely sure what we're talking about here. Right now I'm merely pointing out what I did to get Gnus to lose mail for me just the other week, and that those bugs should probably get fixed before Oort can "ship." -- matt