From: Daniel Pittman <daniel@rimspace.net>
Subject: Re: Quimby Upgrade
Date: 12 Apr 2001 14:32:24 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87g0fepwkn.fsf@inanna.rimspace.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20010411052354.D46053@kens.com> ("Robin S. Socha"'s message of "Wed, 11 Apr 2001 05:23:54 -0400")
On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Robin S. Socha wrote:
> * Daniel Pittman <daniel@rimspace.net> [010411 01:56]:
>> On 10 Apr 2001, Jason R. Mastaler wrote:
>> > Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
>> >
>> >> What this mailing list needs is a good old-fashioned OS flame war,
>> >
>> > Well how about this then. While Linux makes a cute desktop/notebook
>> > OS, it falls miserably short in most of the categories that matter
>> > for larger-scale, high-performance applications (filesystem,
>>
>> Particularly what areas of them?
>
> Try ext2 against UFS with softupdates. Good luck.
Last time I saw benchmarks, they suggested that the differences were not
that great. Not that this signifies that much.
>
>> > network stack,
>> Ditto.
>
> As of 2.4, it's upposed to be an urban legend. But who knows?
Hey, I am personally /much/ more annoyed by the BSD "let's byte-swap the
content of ICMP errors" bug than one of the Linux ones, but that's
because I have suffered from the BSD one.
Anyway, the 2.4 stack seems quite capable of saturating networks on any
scale, as well as lacking in stupidly annoying bugs. :)
>> > NFS,
>> Here, I agree completely.
>
> Who cares? AFS and Coda are available. NFS should be shot, along with
> sendmail and BIND.
Oh, indeed. I just keep waiting for the SMB/Unix extension that the
Samba people talked about a while back...
> At least OpenBSD ships with BIND 4.
Which has it's bonus points... and it's own suckages. Admittedly,
though, it's not /nearly/ as bad as Bind 8 (on 9, given the number of
bug reports I have seen so far).
Debian ships both, anyway, so I am not that impressed. :)
>> > SMP,
>> Details on what areas?
>
> What sort of a flamewar is this, anyway? Who needs stinking SMP?
*giggle* I do try, I just don't actually fell /that/ much interested in
proving BSD bad, just knowing what it does well. :)
> Anyway, OpenBSD does not have it *harrump*
Indeed. Difference people, different desires.
[...]
>> > etc..). Linux is like a zoo without a keeper.
>> In a lot of ways, yes.
>
> In one single way it is not. "Linux" as in "the kernel" is not. Linux
> distributions, however, are an entirely different thing.
> Unfortunately, I don't know Debian very well, but it looks good. For
> my purposes (security, stability, maintainability in this order),
> DeadRat and SuSE are inadequate.
Heck, yeah. RedHat and friends also have *sucky* upgrade paths, on par
with Windows for "oh, look, my system broke!". :/
Debian is good. If you need to go Linux, go Debian. They get upgrading
right, at least. Plus their defaults seem about as secure as FreeBSD,
from what I can tell.
No one in the world is as paranoid as OpenBSD. This tells against anyone
else WRT new-install security.
[...]
>> I am quite happy to learn why I want something else, though.
>
> If you want to learn things the hard way, grab an OpenBSD CD and see
> if you like it
Which is really the only way to really know, sadly. One day when I find
some of my copious free time(tm), I will get around to doing just that.
Daniel
--
The only infallible rule we know is, that the man who is
always talking about being a gentlemen never is one.
-- R. S. Surtees, _Ask Momma_
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-04-12 4:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-04-04 16:30 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2001-04-04 17:10 ` Harry Putnam
2001-04-04 18:35 ` Robin S. Socha
2001-04-04 20:35 ` Matthias Wiehl
2001-04-04 20:52 ` Josh Huber
2001-04-05 1:06 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2001-04-05 1:17 ` Colin Marquardt
2001-04-07 5:58 ` Manoj Srivastava
2001-04-05 5:11 ` Colin Walters
2001-04-05 5:54 ` Robin S. Socha
2001-04-05 13:29 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2001-04-05 15:10 ` Robin S. Socha
2001-04-05 15:37 ` Oyvind Moll
2001-04-06 0:56 ` Stephen Zander
2001-04-06 0:58 ` Stephen Zander
2001-04-07 23:02 ` Arcady Genkin
2001-04-08 0:19 ` Colin Walters
2001-04-08 1:54 ` Arcady Genkin
[not found] ` <87elv4i3q9.fsf@pooh.honeypot>
2001-04-08 1:52 ` Arcady Genkin
2001-04-05 15:38 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2001-04-05 15:41 ` Florian Weimer
2001-04-07 5:49 ` Manoj Srivastava
2001-04-05 17:26 ` Alex Schroeder
2001-04-07 5:55 ` Manoj Srivastava
2001-04-10 16:28 ` Jason R. Mastaler
2001-04-11 5:52 ` Daniel Pittman
2001-04-11 9:23 ` Robin S. Socha
2001-04-11 13:48 ` Gunnar Evermann
2001-04-11 14:12 ` Robin S. Socha
2001-04-11 14:04 ` Colin Walters
2001-04-11 14:58 ` Wes Hardaker
2001-04-11 16:58 ` Harry Putnam
2001-04-11 18:38 ` Robin S. Socha
2001-04-12 3:48 ` Harry Putnam
2001-04-12 21:43 ` jason-dated-321e0a263c46f421
2001-04-12 22:09 ` Florian Weimer
2001-04-12 23:02 ` Kai Großjohann
2001-04-12 23:24 ` Harry Putnam
2001-04-23 19:33 ` my 'dated' address (was Re: Quimby Upgrade) Jason R. Mastaler
2001-04-23 20:08 ` Kai Großjohann
2001-04-23 23:17 ` Jason R. Mastaler
2001-04-23 23:37 ` Stainless Steel Rat
2001-04-27 19:34 ` Robin S. Socha
2001-04-27 19:50 ` Stainless Steel Rat
2001-04-27 20:02 ` Robin S. Socha
2001-04-27 21:07 ` Stainless Steel Rat
2001-04-27 21:24 ` Paul Jarc
2001-04-27 21:38 ` Stainless Steel Rat
2001-04-27 21:51 ` Robin S. Socha
2001-04-28 1:05 ` Paul Jarc
2001-04-28 2:22 ` Stainless Steel Rat
2001-04-28 3:01 ` Russ Allbery
2001-04-29 13:26 ` Kai Großjohann
2001-04-29 14:13 ` Robin S. Socha
2001-04-29 14:53 ` Stainless Steel Rat
2001-04-29 14:18 ` Amos Gouaux
2001-04-29 14:55 ` Andreas Fuchs
2001-04-29 19:50 ` Jason R. Mastaler
2001-04-29 15:46 ` Florian Weimer
2001-04-29 19:54 ` Jason R. Mastaler
2001-04-27 21:24 ` Robin S. Socha
2001-04-27 21:48 ` Steven E. Harris
2001-04-28 1:28 ` Jason R. Mastaler
2001-04-28 1:30 ` Jason R. Mastaler
2001-04-24 13:29 ` Florian Weimer
2001-04-11 21:17 ` Quimby Upgrade Kai Großjohann
2001-04-11 23:20 ` Eric Jacoboni
2001-04-12 14:53 ` Harry Putnam
2001-04-12 15:20 ` Alan Shutko
2001-04-12 15:58 ` Kai Großjohann
2001-04-12 18:07 ` Harry Putnam
2001-04-12 20:36 ` Florian Weimer
2001-04-12 20:56 ` Arcady Genkin
2001-04-12 4:32 ` Daniel Pittman [this message]
2001-04-12 20:22 ` Bjørn Mork
2001-04-13 1:17 ` Daniel Pittman
2001-04-13 19:07 ` Bjørn Mork
2001-04-16 12:11 ` Daniel Pittman
2003-09-11 22:47 Quimby upgrade Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2003-09-12 0:49 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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