From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/86262 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: dropping support for old Emacsen (was: master 644d31a 2/2: Replace the usage of an obsolete function in auth-source.el) Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2015 10:18:56 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87h9kz17hb.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> References: <20151011210306.16935.15935@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <87a8qs2oy8.fsf@lifelogs.com> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1446823189 26970 80.91.229.3 (6 Nov 2015 15:19:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 15:19:49 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 06 16:19:41 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Zuinl-0005QR-7K for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 06 Nov 2015 16:19:41 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39331 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zuink-0000uJ-QM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 06 Nov 2015 10:19:40 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45685) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZuinP-0000rP-O6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Nov 2015 10:19:20 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZuinK-0004q9-KH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Nov 2015 10:19:19 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:52688) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZuinK-0004q3-E1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Nov 2015 10:19:14 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZuinH-000534-DW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Nov 2015 16:19:11 +0100 Original-Received: from 98.229.60.157 ([98.229.60.157]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 06 Nov 2015 16:19:11 +0100 Original-Received: from tzz by 98.229.60.157 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 06 Nov 2015 16:19:11 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 29 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 98.229.60.157 X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.130012 (Ma Gnus v0.12) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:mwcsv9MffQ4sVBCQbGE9b2PLv1Q= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:193423 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:86262 Archived-At: On Fri, 06 Nov 2015 11:22:22 +0900 Katsumi Yamaoka wrote: KY> On Thu, 05 Nov 2015 15:03:59 -0500, Ted Zlatanov wrote: >> Maybe drop Gnus support for Emacs 23.x and old XEmacs too? >> I think we've had too many of these annoyances over the years. KY> making Gnus drop old Emacsen is a good idea. Probably dropping Emacs KY> 23 won't trouble many users. But what is old XEmacs to be? In some KY> sense, all XEmacsen is old. ;-) I should note I've brought this up before. Crossposting to the Gnus mailing list as well. Concretely, the proposal is to support only Emacs 24.x in Gnus. If XEmacs or Emacs 23 support breaks, then users can submit patches but it won't be a primary focus for the developers. On Fri, 06 Nov 2015 10:41:16 +0100 David Kastrup wrote: DK> I am not in a position to prescribe to Gnus developers how they are DK> maintaining their software. Maybe Gnus stopping to support XEmacs 21.4 DK> is the kick in the behind that XEmacs needs for preparing a new "stable" DK> release rather than face the prospect of having to backport or freeze DK> Gnus. But I don't know how receptive to kicks that behind might be DK> right now. For most active users, XEmacs 21.4 does not appear to be DK> more than a practical joke. Agreed. Emacs 23.1 is from 2009 so it's similarly outdated though not as humorous. Ted