From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/77340 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general,gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: Re: bug#8050: Gnus does not connect to my IMAP server any more Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 05:21:45 -0600 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87hbbs4awm.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87y655bnr4.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87wrkobutr.fsf@gnus.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1298632945 6301 80.91.229.12 (25 Feb 2011 11:22:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 11:22:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M25665@lists.math.uh.edu Fri Feb 25 12:22:21 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Psvka-00034h-Um for ding-account@gmane.org; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:22:21 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PsvkS-0001zi-DM; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 05:22:12 -0600 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PsvkP-0001zD-Lp for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 05:22:09 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PsvkL-0005DH-Ea for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 05:22:09 -0600 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PsvkK-000360-N4 for ding@gnus.org; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:22:04 +0100 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PsvkG-0002pN-2X for ding@gnus.org; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:22:00 +0100 Original-Received: from c-67-186-102-106.hsd1.il.comcast.net ([67.186.102.106]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:22:00 +0100 Original-Received: from tzz by c-67-186-102-106.hsd1.il.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:22:00 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 45 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-67-186-102-106.hsd1.il.comcast.net X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6;d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110014 (No Gnus v0.14) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:IrTzgFDamuJYcJ940K9eV/7SkZU= X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:77340 gmane.emacs.bugs:44359 Archived-At: On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:29:36 -0800 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote: LMI> Ted Zlatanov writes: >> You may want to edit the line in case you want to change it before it's >> written. Lars also thought this was not good but I feel strongly this >> is useful functionality and it's not too intrusive. LMI> I think it's definitely too intrusive. LMI> The question that's relevant is "do you want to save the password?" LMI> That's the only thing a normal user could possibly be interested in, and LMI> it's a yes or no question. I disagree. It's a single extra letter in a y/n prompt. I don't see how it's intrusive. You can set auth-source-never-save to t right now and never even see the y/n prompt. I've accomodated all the prompting suggestions but I'm not removing that functionality. LMI> Asking the user to "e"-dit the netrc line would be for Gnus to prompt LMI> the user on `C-c C-c' "do you want to (s)end the message or (e)dit the LMI> MIME representation of the message before sending?" The latter is only LMI> interesting for people who are implementing the MIME encoding, and not LMI> any user. The same goes for the .netrc stuff. No, because the netrc file is not raw data but structured information. (Although that kind of editing the raw MIME sounds very useful for debugging and testing MIME support.) It's like adding a command to edit the score file or having two ways to edit the topic parameters (`G c' and `G p'). Emacs thrives on power users; let's not oversimplify the interface. LMI> If you want to add a debugging mode to auth-source that allows you to LMI> edit the .netrc lines, that's fine, but it's not fine to confuse users LMI> on something as basic as password management. It's not confusing. But maybe `e' should be "add the auth info and then edit the netrc file, allowing `C-c C-c' to save it" which would be more in line with what `G p' and score file editing do. And then we can add that command to Gnus and Emacs in general so you can edit your auth-sources authinfo/netrc files quickly (in the global scope you would have to choose the file with some extra UI). Yeah, that sounds like useful functionality. Ted