Re: auth-source.el and eieio

[David Engster <deng@randomsample.de>]

Ted Zlatanov writes:
> On Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:40:55 +0100 Richard Riley <rileyrg@googlemail.com> wrote: 
>
> RR> Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> writes:
>>> On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 17:45:32 -0800 Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> wrote: 
>>> 
> LI> Katsumi Yamaoka <yamaoka@jpl.org> writes:
>>>>> Gnus still supports Emacs 23.1 and earlier, however the eieio
>>>>> module is not available there.  secrets.el is not, either.
>>>>> How do we manage the new auth-source.el?
>>> 
> LI> Hm, yes.  That's not good.  Is there a way for auth-source "degrade
> LI> gracefully" when eieio and secrets.el isn't present?
>>> 
>>> Ugh.  EIEIO requires other libraries and it really improves the code
>>> IMO.  I'm using `oref' in many places and it allows both the 'property
>>> and the :property styles.  It would be a pain to rewrite it all and I'd
>>> like to keep using `defclass' in Gnus.  Also, EIEIO has special glue to
>>> allow objects to be customized in place in Emacs, which was one of the
>>> reasons I chose it.
>>> 
>>> Can we require CEDET to be installed to use Gnus?  It's not a huge
>>> burden on the user.  We can even fetch and install it during the build.
>
> RR> cedet is part of emacs 24 afaik but it's a huge monster. 
>
> It's a 2 MB download, 8 MB when extracted.  I don't think that's "huge."
>
> Remember, this is for backwards compatibility with people who don't have
> a recent Emacs (23.1 or older).  XEmacs also has it.  Emacs 23.2 was
> released in May 2010 and all the major distros have it.  So it's not
> going to affect everyone.

XEmacs may have EIEIO, but last I checked the whole CEDET suite didn't
compile under XEmacs.

I think there's no reason to demand the whole CEDET package. Maybe we
could set up a pure EIEIO package somewhere; it's just ~70K gzipped.

-David