From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/76722 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Engster Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: auth-source.el and eieio Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 18:39:21 +0100 Message-ID: <87hbc65xdi.fsf@randomsample.de> References: <87y65jqthf.fsf@gnus.org> <87tyg6skad.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87lj1isgsh.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1297705248 13026 80.91.229.12 (14 Feb 2011 17:40:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 17:40:48 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M25064@lists.math.uh.edu Mon Feb 14 18:40:43 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pp2Pi-0000BT-Lw for ding-account@gmane.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 18:40:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Pp2PL-0002WY-IE; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 11:40:19 -0600 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Pp2PI-0002W9-Az for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 11:40:16 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pp2PE-0004Bb-EG for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 11:40:16 -0600 Original-Received: from v3-1008.vxen.de ([79.140.41.8]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pp2PD-0006Ms-1v for ding@gnus.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 18:40:11 +0100 Original-Received: from dslc-082-082-165-009.pools.arcor-ip.net ([82.82.165.9] helo=spaten) by v3-1008.vxen.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pp2PC-0004lz-22 for ding@gnus.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 18:40:10 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87lj1isgsh.fsf@lifelogs.com> (Ted Zlatanov's message of "Mon, 14 Feb 2011 10:49:02 -0600") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/23.2 (gnu/linux) Mail-Copies-To: never Mail-Followup-To: ding@gnus.org X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: SpamAssassin (3.3.1 2010-03-16) analysis follows Bayesian score: 0.0000 Ham tokens: 0.000-1471--4501h-0s--0d--H*UA:Emacs, 0.000-1365--4174h-0s--0d--H*u:Emacs, 0.000-1313--4015h-0s--0d--H*UA:Gnus, 0.000-1312--4014h-0s--0d--H*u:Gnus, 0.000-1266--3873h-0s--0d--H*u:linux Spam tokens: 0.951-2616--1028h-35934s--0d--H*r:quimby.gnus.org, 0.869-626--3035h-36103s--0d--HX-Spam-Relays-External:quimby.gnus.org, 0.869-626--3035h-36103s--0d--H*RU:quimby.gnus.org, 0.867-522--2788h-32640s--0d--H*Ad:D*gnus.org, 0.865-4639--27671h-318672s--0d--H*r:helo Autolearn status: no 2.2 RCVD_IN_NJABL_PROXY RBL: NJABL: sender is an open proxy [82.82.165.9 listed in combined.njabl.org] -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:76722 Archived-At: Ted Zlatanov writes: > On Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:40:55 +0100 Richard Riley wrote: > > RR> Ted Zlatanov writes: >>> On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 17:45:32 -0800 Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: >>> > LI> Katsumi Yamaoka writes: >>>>> Gnus still supports Emacs 23.1 and earlier, however the eieio >>>>> module is not available there. secrets.el is not, either. >>>>> How do we manage the new auth-source.el? >>> > LI> Hm, yes. That's not good. Is there a way for auth-source "degrade > LI> gracefully" when eieio and secrets.el isn't present? >>> >>> Ugh. EIEIO requires other libraries and it really improves the code >>> IMO. I'm using `oref' in many places and it allows both the 'property >>> and the :property styles. It would be a pain to rewrite it all and I'd >>> like to keep using `defclass' in Gnus. Also, EIEIO has special glue to >>> allow objects to be customized in place in Emacs, which was one of the >>> reasons I chose it. >>> >>> Can we require CEDET to be installed to use Gnus? It's not a huge >>> burden on the user. We can even fetch and install it during the build. > > RR> cedet is part of emacs 24 afaik but it's a huge monster. > > It's a 2 MB download, 8 MB when extracted. I don't think that's "huge." > > Remember, this is for backwards compatibility with people who don't have > a recent Emacs (23.1 or older). XEmacs also has it. Emacs 23.2 was > released in May 2010 and all the major distros have it. So it's not > going to affect everyone. XEmacs may have EIEIO, but last I checked the whole CEDET suite didn't compile under XEmacs. I think there's no reason to demand the whole CEDET package. Maybe we could set up a pure EIEIO package somewhere; it's just ~70K gzipped. -David