From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/76703 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: imap.el and nnimap.el [was Re: Build failure bzr trunk revno 103260] Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 08:55:42 -0600 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87hbc6vf69.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <8762sn4fgh.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87tyg72wrl.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1297695374 17321 80.91.229.12 (14 Feb 2011 14:56:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 14:56:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 14 15:56:05 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PozqO-0008Ai-Eu for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:56:04 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37383 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PozqN-0002wp-UZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 09:56:03 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=44017 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PozqI-0002w4-EA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 09:55:59 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PozqH-0005RX-AZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 09:55:58 -0500 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:49724) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PozqH-0005RL-45 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 09:55:57 -0500 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PozqE-00083W-CJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:55:54 +0100 Original-Received: from 38.98.147.130 ([38.98.147.130]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:55:54 +0100 Original-Received: from tzz by 38.98.147.130 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:55:54 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 24 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.98.147.130 X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:/PiwB6FmaucTXrOfZEar/f/8lSM= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 80.91.229.12 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:135997 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:76703 Archived-At: On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 22:00:11 -0500 Glenn Morris wrote: GM> Ted Zlatanov wrote: GM> Also, don't files usually go to obsolete/ before being deleted GM> altogether? >> >> I don't see the point, considering it's so trivial to bring them back. GM> It's for the benefit of people using foo.el in external packages, so GM> that libraries don't just disappear from one Emacs release to the next. Are there special warning when you use obsolete things? `make-obsolete' is on a finer level, but it's safe to assume that if something is in an obsolete/ directory then everything inside should be obsoleted as well. GM> On a related note, if nnimap.el is supposed to replace imap.el (?), then GM> I think it is problem that the former has so many (Gnus) dependencies. GM> Loading imap.el loads 1 file. Loading nnimap.el loads 57. Gnus itself needs imap.el only in one place (mail-source.el) so I propose we move imap.el to Emacs and out of Gnus when and if that dependency is removed. It's a general-purpose library anyway. Ted