From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/76314 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Position of point in reply-with-original Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 16:40:52 -0600 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87hbcklp1n.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87tyglxjja.fsf@gmail.com> <87r5bpgk6p.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87k4hhniw6.fsf@gmail.com> <874o8kiwme.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1296772892 20571 80.91.229.12 (3 Feb 2011 22:41:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 22:41:32 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M24667@lists.math.uh.edu Thu Feb 03 23:41:24 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl7rf-0006OD-95 for ding-account@gmane.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 23:41:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl7rR-0006vf-Lq; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 16:41:09 -0600 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl7rQ-0006vS-Jc for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 16:41:08 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl7rP-0002Z3-Jz for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 16:41:08 -0600 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl7rO-0001VS-SE for ding@gnus.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 23:41:06 +0100 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl7rN-0006B6-Q3 for ding@gnus.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 23:41:05 +0100 Original-Received: from 38.98.147.130 ([38.98.147.130]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 23:41:05 +0100 Original-Received: from tzz by 38.98.147.130 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 23:41:05 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 27 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.98.147.130 X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6;d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Vl9P922BJODOIeujfgEuePo7Xm0= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:76314 Archived-At: On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 23:25:29 +0100 Reiner Steib wrote: RS> On Thu, Feb 03 2011, Antoine Levitt wrote: >> - ignoring the setting in news posting RS> That's a feature. Well, considering GMane, some people may want to top-post in news servers. So the feature is less applicable now than when GMane didn't exist. >> - asking you if you're really really sure when you post >> >> It seems it's pretty standard use in mail, RS> Yes unfortunately, like HTML, missing line breaks, stupid disclaimers, RS> "Sent from my whatever...", signatures without a separator, ... This is like complaining that "hopefully" is misused too often. Yeah, but this is about language and linguists will tell you that what's considered "bad" usage today may become tomorrow's standard. We may not like it but I think it should be easier for users to enable top-posting, including revising the docstring to be less hostile to the idea and mentioning it more in the manual. Ted