From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/74092 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Russ Allbery Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Bet not one female gnus user ever Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 18:44:47 -0800 Organization: The Eyrie Message-ID: <87hbfjjof4.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> References: <874obj48je.fsf@jidanni.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1289789127 9807 80.91.229.12 (15 Nov 2010 02:45:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 02:45:27 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M22460=ding+2Daccount=gmane.org@lists.math.uh.edu Mon Nov 15 03:45:23 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PHp4M-0000D9-HG for ding-account@gmane.org; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 03:45:22 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PHp4L-0000YE-Ro for ding-account@gmane.org; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 20:45:21 -0600 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PHp4L-0000Y9-3Y for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 20:45:21 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PHp4K-0004cX-2D for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 20:45:20 -0600 Original-Received: from smtp1.stanford.edu ([171.67.219.81] helo=smtp.stanford.edu) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1PHp4J-0005ez-00 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 03:45:19 +0100 Original-Received: from smtp.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 23EDD1789A3 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 18:44:48 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5D0CE178967 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 18:44:47 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 46B352F4B9; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 18:44:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <874obj48je.fsf@jidanni.org> (jidanni@jidanni.org's message of "Mon, 15 Nov 2010 10:36:53 +0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (gnu/linux) X-Spam-Score: -4.9 (----) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:74092 Archived-At: jidanni@jidanni.org writes: > OK, I suppose we don't need to wait for the DNA samples to come back > from the lab. OK, there is ONE female gnus user. Is there some point that you're trying to make with this series of posts? Like many people here, I know several female Gnus users. However, one reason why they may not participate on the mailing list as much as one might want them to is because of comments and threads like this one, which can make people feel like biological specimens instead of people. If there's some sort of barrier in either Gnus or in the mailing list against women that you think should be addressed, then please do mention it directly. I'm sure I'm not the only person here in favor of lowering barriers. But if you're just randomly analyzing, you might want to note that this sort of random analysis can *itself* create a barrier by making people feel like research data points instead of equal members of the community. -- Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu)