From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/68643 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Sending attachments Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 05:44:51 +0900 Message-ID: <87hbxqrha4.fsf@catnip.gol.com> References: <87k52rzyn1.fsf@benthic.rattlesnake.com> <873a9fw6dt.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87y6r7yp1y.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <0922916E-B9DD-41C4-8A3D-8550CDD56B62@mit.edu> <83r5ww1m3k.fsf@gnu.org> <871vovsvi8.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <83ljn324xd.fsf@gnu.org> <87skhbrdz3.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <83hbxr0zc6.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1246826716 13705 80.91.229.12 (5 Jul 2009 20:45:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 20:45:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: yamaoka@jpl.org, yandros@MIT.EDU, ding@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 05 22:45:09 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MNYaC-0002pS-TT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:45:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52599 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MNYaC-0006Ev-8T for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 16:45:08 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MNYa8-0006En-Gj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 16:45:04 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MNYa4-0006ES-3A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 16:45:04 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=36203 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MNYa3-0006EP-Tn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 16:44:59 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp12.dentaku.gol.com ([203.216.5.74]:34463) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MNYa0-000754-Cw; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 16:44:56 -0400 Original-Received: from 218.33.237.150.eo.eaccess.ne.jp ([218.33.237.150] helo=catnip.gol.com) by smtp12.dentaku.gol.com with esmtpa (Dentaku) id 1MNYZv-000733-QQ; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 05:44:51 +0900 Original-Received: by catnip.gol.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0B112DF32; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 05:44:51 +0900 (JST) System-Type: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu In-Reply-To: <83hbxr0zc6.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:16:57 +0300") Original-Lines: 35 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV GOL (outbound) X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:112047 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:68643 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> > And this is out of scope for mail-mode, which (AFAIK) does not support >> > news. >> >> What exactly is the plan here? > > There is no plan (yet). I was just trying to estimate the effort > needed for adding simple attachment facility to mail-mode. Plans, if > there will be such, will come later. So that would be the "let's add this one function now and deal with the real problem later" answer, yes? > I have no idea why you thought I was about to add ``leaky bandaids''. > I didn't even say I'm going to write any code, let alone ``leaky''. > And I don't think I ever added to Emacs such low-quality code that > would justify you making such assumptions, should I decide to write > some code. I was not saying anything about your code (I wasn't even thinking you'd write the code), and thus was making no assumptions about it. The point was that real support for mime (as message-mode has today) can't be done piecemeal, and that while adding "a little bit" of support to mail-mode may be a _temporary_ fix for some people's perceived problem, it isn't a good long-term solution -- and even in the short-term it actually makes the duplication problem _worse_, so it seems worth thinking about whether even that is actually desirable. -Miles -- Abstainer, n. A weak person who yields to the temptation of denying himself a pleasure. A total abstainer is one who abstains from everything but abstention, and especially from inactivity in the affairs of others.