From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/68464 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Vegard Vesterheim Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: mail group by author? Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 22:15:33 +0200 Organization: UNINETT. Message-ID: <87hc0n6nq2.fsf@uninett.no> References: <87fxgvnz4k.fsf@escher.local.home> <86myajqjec.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87d4bb3ba7.fsf@engster.org> <868wlzfcia.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1239999406 31044 80.91.229.12 (17 Apr 2009 20:16:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 20:16:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org, Magnus Henoch To: Ted Zlatanov Original-X-From: ding-owner+M16899@lists.math.uh.edu Fri Apr 17 22:18:05 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LuuVb-0002k8-SW for ding-account@gmane.org; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 22:18:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LuuTO-0004sp-CQ; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:15:42 -0500 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LuuTM-0004sX-WA for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:15:41 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LuuTG-0005Ml-Vb for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:15:40 -0500 Original-Received: from regensburg.uninett.no ([158.38.180.100]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1LuuTg-0001q0-00 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 22:16:00 +0200 Original-Received: from shuttle (shuttle.vesterheim.no [158.38.145.66]) by regensburg.uninett.no (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 19BA9703AB; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 22:15:34 +0200 (CEST) X-Face: Vl8-zx%G~!/rC5W!BM+T]w:k.[$Zqh. Q'Af|}oZ6JAhaysP"/43eD<|.BoMETII (Ted Zlatanov's message of "Fri\, 17 Apr 2009 11\:53\:01 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:68464 Archived-At: On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 11:53:01 -0500 Ted Zlatanov wrote: > On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:07:49 +0200 Vegard Vesterheim wrote: > > VV> I have great hopes for dbmail (dbmail.org). dbmail has an IMAP-backend > VV> for retrieving messages. Storing headers (and body) for mail messages > VV> into a database, opens possibilities for flexible and efficient > VV> queries and retrieval of email messages. > > Considering the large amounts of people using IMAP on third-party > servers nowadays, I think it's best to find an approach that works with > any IMAP server. I know this is unfair to solutions like dbmail, but > otherwise we end up with very limited solutions. I think David agrees > with me from his followup. But dbmail *is* a IMAP server, I do not necessarily suggest any special support for dbmail in Gnus. Having a proper database as storage with search indexes for headers, instead of relying on the filesystem, will hopefully result in a IMAP server with more flexible and efficienct query and retrieval functionality. Support for virtual folders (predefined searches), is more easily accomplished with an infrastructure like this. Presorting of mail into statically defined folders is IMHO the wrong approach. I have wasted much time searching for a specific email, only to discover it was filtered into another folder than I had thought. With virtual folders, the same message can be found in several folders, but will still be stored only once, since the folder is really a query on the IMAP server. Sitewide de-duplication of messages would be an added benefit of this approach. For instance, I would like to have a folder called 'People' with automatically generated subfolders for each person having sent, or recieved, an email to/from me. I would also like to have the possibilities to define folders with names (and content) like: 'Messages_recieved_this_month', 'Messages_I_sent_yesterday' etc. - Vegard V -