From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/42561 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Daniel Pittman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: db-backed mail back end Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:37:48 +1100 Organization: Not today, thank you, Mother. Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: <87hepbdrsj.fsf@inanna.rimspace.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035177786 12495 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 05:23:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 05:23:06 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: (qmail 29465 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2002 03:39:47 -0000 Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu (mail@129.7.128.13) by mastaler.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2002 03:39:47 -0000 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 16TxCm-0004lN-00; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:39:08 -0600 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:39:04 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (qmailr@sclp3.sclp.com [209.196.61.66]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA20144 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:38:52 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (qmail 29452 invoked by alias); 25 Jan 2002 03:38:51 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 29447 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2002 03:38:50 -0000 Original-Received: from melancholia.rimspace.net (HELO melancholia.danann.net) (210.23.138.19) by gnus.org with SMTP; 25 Jan 2002 03:38:50 -0000 Original-Received: from localhost (melancholia.rimspace.net [210.23.138.19]) by melancholia.danann.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 695DE2A812 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:38:32 +1100 (EST) Original-Received: by localhost (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9AE0F8205A; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:37:48 +1100 (EST) Original-To: ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: (Karl Kleinpaste's message of "Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:23:43 -0500") Original-Lines: 54 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090005 (Oort Gnus v0.05) XEmacs/21.5 (bamboo, i686-pc-linux) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:42561 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:42561 On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Karl Kleinpaste wrote: > Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: >> Yes. And that's not acceptable. If it takes 7.5 seconds to enter a >> group to look at the one new article, then that's too slow. Much, >> much, much too slow. > > Sorry, no, I don't buy it. Lucky you. :) > Every day, people use Gnus to enter NNTP groups with 100, 500, 1000, > or 2000 new articles to scan, sort, and maybe even read a few. Sure. I also enter some groups with, say, two messages to read, like the ding list just now... that take seven to ten seconds to enter. > Every time they do this, they spend tens of seconds while threading, > scoring, sorting, and summary generation occur. This sort of use is of > the all-day-every-day kind. It would be /great/ for it to be faster, especially in groups where there are ticked, visible messages from a long time ago. > Yet you want to optimize the case that's so far out to the edge, I > doubt there's anyone that even actually _has_ a single group with 200K > messages in it, against which to test the planned optimization. (Does > anyone? Really, right now? Nope. I peak at > 90,000 messages at the moment, with the ten most active groups running down from there to ~ 12,000 messages. > Does anyone have a group, or does anyone plan to create a group, that > goes beyond, say, 30K messages?) Yes. [...] > There's certainly no harm to making Gnus able to handle the storage > needs of gargantuan archives. Sure, knock yourself out. But that's > not a problem currently being faced by more than maybe 5 people on the > planet, whereas every single Gnus user has to worry over the entry > time cost of a busy group with 900 new messages. That would be something that would be good to address first. Don't mistake it for the only problem, though. Daniel -- Sticks and stones are hard on bones. Aimed with angry art, Words can sting like anything. But silence breaks the heart. -- Phyllis McGinley