From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/34607 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Yaitskov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: gnus-group-suspend forgets "readedness" of newly read articles Date: 07 Feb 2001 13:03:06 -0500 Organization: Just me at home Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: <87hf261icl.fsf@home.com> References: <87snlq1lds.fsf@home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035170503 31287 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 03:21:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 03:21:43 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from karazm.math.uh.edu (karazm.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.1]) by mailhost.sclp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 749C8D049D for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 13:04:19 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by karazm.math.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAC04945; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 12:03:38 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Wed, 07 Feb 2001 12:02:59 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from mailhost.sclp.com (postfix@66-209.196.61.interliant.com [209.196.61.66] (may be forged)) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA12830 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 12:02:49 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from lucy.on.wave.home.com (unknown [24.66.110.146]) by mailhost.sclp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37942D049D for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 13:03:19 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from Spooler by lucy.on.wave.home.com (Mercury/32 v3.21c) ID MO0004A9; 7 Feb 01 13:03:19 -0500 Original-Received: from spooler by lucy.on.wave.home.com (Mercury/32 v3.21c); 7 Feb 01 13:03:14 -0500 Original-Received: from lucy.on.wave.home.com (127.0.0.1) by lucy.on.wave.home.com (Mercury/32 v3.21c) with ESMTP ID MG0004A8; 7 Feb 01 13:03:06 -0500 Original-To: Ding In-Reply-To: (Karl Kleinpaste's message of "07 Feb 2001 12:03:16 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.090001 (Oort Gnus v0.01) XEmacs/21.2 (Terspichore) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Original-Lines: 24 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:34607 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:34607 Karl Kleinpaste writes: > This is not specific to gnus-group-suspend. Any time that you are in > *Group* and select a group, you get a *Summary* based on what is known > at the time in the *Group* buffer. The reason is that updates to > *Group* are made on exit from *Summary*. If you do not exit *Summary* > in a way which allows Gnus to carry out normal updates, Gnus will > simply start over again when you re-select the same group. > > This is not a bug. Perhaps it needs explanation somewhere, though. Thanks for the explanation, but FWIW I disagree that it is not a bug. "Forgetting" an action that the user has taken is akin to forgetting e.g. that a file has been changed in a text editor. Imagine a feature that would "suspend" (whatever that means) an edit session but will lose all changes you have made to the files w/out so much as asking you. There may be a technical reason for what's happening but it is still bad UI. Same as Gnus asks about changes made to a new unsent message it should ask about updating summaries (or update them silently). IMHO. -- Cheers, -Dima.