From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,RDNS_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: (qmail 20292 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2020 18:42:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists1.math.uh.edu) (129.7.128.208) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTP; 20 Mar 2020 18:42:54 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by lists1.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.92.3) (envelope-from ) id 1jFMay-0007aE-Ml; Fri, 20 Mar 2020 13:42:12 -0500 Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by lists1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92.3) (envelope-from ) id 1jFMav-0007Xe-Hx for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Fri, 20 Mar 2020 13:42:09 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92.3) (envelope-from ) id 1jFMat-0005wE-QI for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Fri, 20 Mar 2020 13:42:09 -0500 Received: from ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18] helo=mail.ericabrahamsen.net) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jFMam-0004DD-FD for ding@gnus.org; Fri, 20 Mar 2020 19:42:03 +0100 Received: from localhost (c-73-254-86-141.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [73.254.86.141]) (Authenticated sender: eric@ericabrahamsen.net) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 88702FA02E; Fri, 20 Mar 2020 18:41:57 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric Abrahamsen To: Amin Bandali Cc: Adam =?utf-8?Q?Sj=C3=B8gren?= , ding@gnus.org Subject: Re: Delayed messages, postponing Date: until sending by default? References: <87v9n6pnb3.fsf@tullinup.koldfront.dk> <874kujrnot.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <874kuj0yhz.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87d0976k1r.fsf@gnu.org> <87lfnvymm5.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 11:41:56 -0700 In-Reply-To: <87lfnvymm5.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> (Eric Abrahamsen's message of "Fri, 20 Mar 2020 10:14:42 -0700") Message-ID: <87imiyyikr.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-ID: Precedence: bulk Eric Abrahamsen writes: > Amin Bandali writes: > >> Eric Abrahamsen writes: >> >>> Eric Abrahamsen writes: >>> >>>> Adam Sj=C3=B8gren writes: >>>> >>>>> Recently I read a blog post about delayed messages in Gnus: >>>>> >>>>> =C2=B7 https://tech.toryanderson.com/2020/02/21/emacs-gnus-delay-sch= edule-email-sending/ >>>>> >>>>> And I could help myself nerdsplaining the configuration I use for >>>>> delayed messages. >>>>> >>>>> One of the things is: >>>>> >>>>> ; Remove date, so delayed messages (C-c C-j) don't get a date until >>>>> ; sent, from : >>>>> (setq message-draft-headers '(References From)) >>>> >>>> Huh, I didn't realize that the Date header was set as time-of-delay, n= ot >>>> time-of-send. Confirming for myself by delaying this message by a day. >>>> No harm done, as it is totally useless! >>> >>> Huh, no kidding. I can't think of any reason we'd want to send delayed >>> messages out with the original Date header... >> >> +1; I think it would be a more sensible default to use the Date of send. >> I think it can be especially confusing for the receiver seeing a message >> dated, say, 1 day before, but only just appearing in their inbox. > > And even with regular (non-delayed) drafts, why would we want to date it > from when we *started* writing the message, rather than when we sent it? > > I've opened bug#40151 for this. And it's in!