From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/76553 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Gnus Cloud Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 11:56:32 -0600 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87ipwrzsbz.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87pqr1huyy.fsf@gnus.org> <87zkq43m16.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87r5bgwdhk.fsf@keller.adm.naquadah.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1297360656 18357 80.91.229.12 (10 Feb 2011 17:57:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 17:57:36 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M24900@lists.math.uh.edu Thu Feb 10 18:57:30 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pnall-0006xm-8Z for ding-account@gmane.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2011 18:57:29 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PnalD-0002De-4S; Thu, 10 Feb 2011 11:56:55 -0600 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PnalA-0002DR-F7 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 10 Feb 2011 11:56:52 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pnal8-0006Cu-Fj for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 10 Feb 2011 11:56:51 -0600 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pnal6-0007Ei-Ac for ding@gnus.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2011 18:56:48 +0100 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pnal5-0006Rs-Oq for ding@gnus.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2011 18:56:47 +0100 Original-Received: from 38.98.147.130 ([38.98.147.130]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2011 18:56:47 +0100 Original-Received: from tzz by 38.98.147.130 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2011 18:56:47 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 37 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.98.147.130 X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6;d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:2Le4qaDOJbHPcFpX8UbjnxFYixk= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:76553 Archived-At: On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 08:33:11 +0100 Julien Danjou wrote: JD> A NoSQL database like CouchDB, but replacing JSON with Lisp? Yes, that was my original idea but with custom merge logic. Lars' proposal to just stack changes is probably better for the server but definitely more expensive for the user. Membase seems like a better fit to me as the backend, though. CouchDB is miserably slow under heavy load. (Yes, I know Membase and Couch* merged, but any actual results from that union will take a while.) I would really like to serve and accept JSON as an alternate format. Then others can share this facility so it's not just a Gnus thing. On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 11:58:53 +0100 Philipp Haselwarter wrote: PH> "TZ" == Ted Zlatanov writes: TZ> Right. So I'd allow for a generic "save a file to the cloud" TZ> facility that doesn't have any of the deltas. PH> I'm not sure that's a very good idea; there's no guarantee a PH> .authinfo.gpg file is encrypted or anything. PH> But I'd want to run the cloud on my own server anyways. After all, the PH> emacs does let you shoot yourself in the foot if you insist, so, go for PH> it. Let's put it this way: if you choose to call an unencrypted file x.gpg and save it on a server, why should the server stop you? I think running the sync server on your own is a basic requirement, yes. The target user base for Gnus tends to be a bit paranoid[1] :) Ted [1] Including myself, of course.