From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/76290 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: asjo@koldfront.dk (Adam =?utf-8?Q?Sj=C3=B8gren?=) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Position of point in reply-with-original Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 18:31:04 +0100 Organization: koldfront - analysis & revolution, Copenhagen, Denmark Message-ID: <87ipx1yqhz.fsf@topper.koldfront.dk> References: <87tyglxjja.fsf@gmail.com> <87r5bpgk6p.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87k4hhniw6.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1296754313 7384 80.91.229.12 (3 Feb 2011 17:31:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 17:31:53 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M24642@lists.math.uh.edu Thu Feb 03 18:31:49 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl324-00066z-9m for ding-account@gmane.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 18:31:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl31h-0004kq-7U; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 11:31:25 -0600 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl31f-0004kc-FH for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 11:31:23 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl31d-0000lJ-Mu for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 11:31:22 -0600 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl31c-0004s1-WA for ding@gnus.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 18:31:20 +0100 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl31c-0005ri-9S for ding@gnus.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 18:31:20 +0100 Original-Received: from rain.gmane.org ([80.91.229.7]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 18:31:20 +0100 Original-Received: from asjo by rain.gmane.org with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 18:31:20 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Lines: 49 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: rain.gmane.org Mail-Copies-To: never X-Face: )qY&CseJ?.:=8F#^~GcSA?F=9eu'{KAFfL1C3/A&:nE?PW\i65"ba0NS)97,Q(^@xk}n4Ou rPuR#V8I(J_@~H($[ym:`K_+]*kjvW>xH5jbgLBVFGXY:(#4P>zVBklLbdL&XxL\M)%T}3S/IS9lMJ ^St'=VZBR Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:76290 Archived-At: On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 18:10:49 +0100, Antoine wrote: > There's message-cite-reply-above that does the trick, but is incredibly > condescending by > - insulting you for wanting the option in the first place in the > docstring > - ignoring the setting in news posting > - asking you if you're really really sure when you post So, basically it is trying to tell you to not top-post, and helps you not to do so in newsgroups where it is frowned upon, right? > It seems it's pretty standard use in mail, and almost all "modern" > clients (webmails, thunderbird, outlook and such) have this as > default. I just created an email-account in Thunderbird, and the default was "[x] Automatically quote the original message when replying", Then, "start my reply below the quote": * http://koldfront.dk/misc/thunderbird/reply-default.png So it seems that Thunderbird (3.0.11) does not default to top posting. Note the box right below, where Thunderbird recommends putting the signature last if you choose to top-post (unlike Microsoft Outlook). > I'm not trying to start a flamewar as to which one is better, but we > should give the users the option. Why? [...] > What do people think? I don't understand why you wouldn't want people to jump through hoops to do the - arguably - wrong thing? It is entirely possible to do so, but why make it easier? Best regards, Adam -- "Här kommer rädslan, gamle vän Adam Sjøgren När alla fjärilar i magen vaknar upp asjo@koldfront.dk Viskar välkommen hem"