supercite no longer cool

supercite no longer cool

[jidanni]

Help, now with Emacs 22.3.1 no longer am I getting those "C>" cool
citations. No just plain ">". My http://jidanni.org/comp/configuration/
didn't change.

Re: supercite no longer cool

[Steinar Bang]

>>>>> jidanni@jidanni.org:

> Help, now with Emacs 22.3.1 no longer am I getting those "C>" cool
> citations. No just plain ">". My http://jidanni.org/comp/configuration/
> didn't change.

I've run supercite since emacs 18.something, without any big changes in
the config (i.e. upgrade through 19.*, 20.*, 21.* and now 22.3.1).

A wild guess: you may have set some variables using custom, and lost
those in the upgrade?  That has happened to me, not for supercite, but
for other settings.

BTW you're leading by two years on the emacs usage (my .emacs originates
from 1988)

What does `locate-library supercite RET' say?  Perhaps you're trying to
load a different one than the one bundled with your emacs?

Re: supercite no longer cool

[jidanni]

Steinar, how do you call in supercite in your startup files these days?
Nothing in my setup changed. It just isn't getting read on disk anymore.
view-echo-area-messages confirms it.

Re: supercite no longer cool

[Steinar Bang]

>>>>> jidanni@jidanni.org:

> Steinar, how do you call in supercite in your startup files these
> days?  Nothing in my setup changed. It just isn't getting read on disk
> anymore.  view-echo-area-messages confirms it.

I don't really know what triggers things with the current Gnus and
emacs, but here is all I have, that is supercite related.

In .gnus.el:
(require 'supercite)


In .emacs:

;;;================================
;;         Setup for supercite 3.1
	
(add-hook 'mail-citation-hook 'sc-cite-original)


; This is run in mail-mode-xtras
(setq sc-pre-hook
      '(lambda ()
	 (if (or (string= (buffer-name) "*post-news*")
		 (string= (buffer-name) "*news message*"))
	     (progn
	       (setq news-reply-header-hook nil)
	       (setq  sc-citation-leader " ")
	       (setq sc-nested-citation-p nil)
	       (setq sc-preferred-header-style 4))
	   (progn
	     (setq sc-confirm-always-p nil)
	     (setq  sc-citation-leader nil)
	     (setq sc-nested-citation-p t)
	     (setq sc-preferred-header-style 0)))
	 (sc-setup-filladapt)
	 (setq sc-auto-fill-region-p nil)
	 (setq sc-citation-delimiter-regexp "[|>]+")
	 (setq sc-electric-references-p t)
	 (setq sc-preferred-attribution-list 
	       '("sc-lastchoice" "x-attribution" "initials" "emailname"
		 "firstname" "lastname"))
	 (setq sc-rewrite-header-list
	       '((sc-no-header)
		 (sc-header-on-said)
		 (sc-header-inarticle-writes)
		 (sc-header-thus-spoke)
		 (sc-header-attributed-writes)
		 (sc-header-han-skreiv)
		 (sc-header-ho-skreiv)
		 (sc-header-regarding-adds)
		 (sc-header-verbose)
		 (sc-no-blank-line-or-header)
		 (sc-header-writes)
		 (sc-header-you-wrote)
		 ))))


;; The 'simple' mail-yank header
(defun sc-header-writes ()
  "<from>:"
  (let ((sc-mumble "")
	(whofrom (sc-whofrom)))
    (if whofrom
	(insert sc-reference-tag-string
		whofrom ":\n"))))

;; The 'simple' mail-yank header
(defun sc-header-you-wrote ()
  "You wrote:"
  (insert sc-reference-tag-string
	  "You wrote:\n"))

;; The 'thus spoke ...' mail-yank header
(defun sc-header-thus-spoke ()
  "Thus spoke <from>:"
  (let ((sc-mumble "")
	(whofrom (sc-whofrom)))
    (if whofrom
	(insert sc-reference-tag-string
		"Thus spoke " whofrom ":\n"))))

(defun sc-header-han-skreiv ()
  "Han <from> skreiv:"
  (let ((sc-mumble "")
	(whofrom (sc-whofrom)))
    (if whofrom
	(insert sc-reference-tag-string
		"Han " whofrom " skreiv:\n"))))
 
(defun sc-header-ho-skreiv ()
  "Ho <from> skreiv:"
  (let ((sc-mumble "")
	(whofrom (sc-whofrom)))
    (if whofrom
	(insert sc-reference-tag-string
		"Ho " whofrom " skreiv:\n"))))

Re: supercite no longer cool

[Reiner Steib]

On Mon, Apr 27 2009, Steinar Bang wrote:

> (add-hook 'mail-citation-hook 'sc-cite-original)

See the recent thread about `message-cite-function',
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/68470

,----[ <news:87tz64tbf2.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> ]
| From: Reiner Steib <reinersteib+from-uce@imap.cc>
| Subject: Re: emacs-22.3 + gnus-5.11 = broken mail-citation-hook
| Newsgroups: comp.emacs
| Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 14:02:41 +0100
| Message-ID: <87tz64tbf2.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de>
|
| [...]
|
| The missing feature in Emacs 22.3 is that
| `message-cite-original-without-signature' doesn't call
| `mail-citation-hook'.   It's a missing feature rather than a bug
| because this fact is documented:
| 
| ,----[ <f1> v message-cite-function RET (Emacs 22.3) ]
| | message-cite-function is a variable defined in `message.el'.
| | Its value is 
| | message-cite-original-without-signature
| | 
| | Documentation:
| | *Function for citing an original message.
| | Predefined functions include `message-cite-original' and
| | `message-cite-original-without-signature'.
| | Note that `message-cite-original' uses `mail-citation-hook' if that
| | is non-nil.
| `----
| 
| ,----[ <f1> v message-cite-function RET (No Gnus / Emacs 23) ]
| | message-cite-function is a variable defined in `message.el'.
| | Its value is 
| | message-cite-original-without-signature
| | 
| | Documentation:
| | *Function for citing an original message.
| | Predefined functions include `message-cite-original' and
| | `message-cite-original-without-signature'.
| | Note that these functions use `mail-citation-hook' if that is non-nil.
| `----
| 
| > That is, backward compatibility was broken for some reason.
| 
| Breaking backward compatibility certainly wasn't intended. Sorry for
| the inconvenience.
| 
| But backporting the No Gnus changes to Gnus 5.10.12 seems to risky.
| But I'll add a warning to the docs:
| 
| ,----[ (info "(gnus)Oort Gnus") / GNUS-NEWS ]
| |        * Signatures are stripped when replying by default.  I.e. the
| |           default of `message-cite-function' has been changed to
| |           `message-cite-original-without-signature'.  *Note Insertion
| |           Variables: (message)Insertion Variables.
| | 
| |           Note that in contrast to `message-cite-original',
| |           `message-cite-original-without-signature' doesn't call
| |           `mail-citation-hook'.  This incompatibility affects only this
| |           version - in Gnus 5.12 (and Emacs 23) it has been unified so
| |           that both call `mail-citation-hook'.
| `----
`----

Bye, Reiner.
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Bug#526071: supercite no longer cool

[jidanni]

Package: emacs22-common
Version: 22.3+1-1
X-debbugs-cc: ding@gnus.org

In http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/68497
Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:
> See the recent thread about `message-cite-function',
> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/68470
I see. I'll hereby ask Debian to upgrade. Thanks.