* Strange toolbar icon for connect/disconnect
@ 2006-12-12 9:10 David Kastrup
2006-12-12 15:19 ` Leo
2006-12-13 23:08 ` Reiner Steib
0 siblings, 2 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: David Kastrup @ 2006-12-12 9:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Gnus v5.11
GNU Emacs 22.0.50.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.10.3)
of 2006-09-19 on rothera, modified by Debian
Hi, the toolbar icons that get used for connect/disconnect are
actually icons for "connected/disconnected". That is, they don't
visualize an action, but a state. The customary usage of these
connected/disconnected icons is to display the _current_ state, not
the state that is reached after pressing the button.
The icon images should be swapped, since otherwise they are confusing
to users accustomed to them.
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David
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* Re: Strange toolbar icon for connect/disconnect
2006-12-12 9:10 Strange toolbar icon for connect/disconnect David Kastrup
@ 2006-12-12 15:19 ` Leo
2006-12-13 23:08 ` Reiner Steib
1 sibling, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Leo @ 2006-12-12 15:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
* [2006.12.12 10:10 +0100] David Kastrup wrote:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Hi, the toolbar icons that get used for connect/disconnect are
> actually icons for "connected/disconnected". That is, they don't
> visualize an action, but a state. The customary usage of these
> connected/disconnected icons is to display the _current_ state, not
> the state that is reached after pressing the button.
>
> The icon images should be swapped, since otherwise they are confusing
> to users accustomed to them.
I also found this weird and inconsistent with other apps when I was
trying to make a tango icon set for Emacs. For example, in my laptop
NetworkManager shows a connected icon when it is connected to the
internet.
--
Leo <sdl.web AT gmail.com> (GPG Key: 9283AA3F)
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* Re: Strange toolbar icon for connect/disconnect
2006-12-12 9:10 Strange toolbar icon for connect/disconnect David Kastrup
2006-12-12 15:19 ` Leo
@ 2006-12-13 23:08 ` Reiner Steib
2006-12-16 11:18 ` Stephen Berman
2006-12-20 14:08 ` David Kastrup
1 sibling, 2 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Reiner Steib @ 2006-12-13 23:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
On Tue, Dec 12 2006, David Kastrup wrote:
> Hi, the toolbar icons that get used for connect/disconnect are
> actually icons for "connected/disconnected".
The names of the corresponding Gnome icons are stock_connect.png and
stock_disconnect.png so I assumed that they fit, but I don't have a
strong opinion on this.
> That is, they don't visualize an action, but a state. The customary
> usage of these connected/disconnected icons is to display the
> _current_ state, not the state that is reached after pressing the
> button.
>
> The icon images should be swapped, since otherwise they are confusing
> to users accustomed to them.
Do you have an URL to some Gnome or GTK guidelines? Or some concrete
examples of Gnome/Gtk applications using stock_connect.png and
stock_disconnect.png?
Bye, Reiner.
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,,,
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* Re: Strange toolbar icon for connect/disconnect
2006-12-13 23:08 ` Reiner Steib
@ 2006-12-16 11:18 ` Stephen Berman
2006-12-20 14:08 ` David Kastrup
1 sibling, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Stephen Berman @ 2006-12-16 11:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 00:08:36 +0100 Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 12 2006, David Kastrup wrote:
>
>> Hi, the toolbar icons that get used for connect/disconnect are
>> actually icons for "connected/disconnected".
>
> The names of the corresponding Gnome icons are stock_connect.png and
> stock_disconnect.png so I assumed that they fit, but I don't have a
> strong opinion on this.
>
>> That is, they don't visualize an action, but a state. The customary
>> usage of these connected/disconnected icons is to display the
>> _current_ state, not the state that is reached after pressing the
>> button.
>>
>> The icon images should be swapped, since otherwise they are confusing
>> to users accustomed to them.
Another argument for swapping them is that they visually contradict
the minor mode lighter "plugged/unplugged", i.e., when it says
"plugged" in the mode line you see an unplugged plug in the tool bar
and vice versa.
Steve Berman
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* Re: Strange toolbar icon for connect/disconnect
2006-12-13 23:08 ` Reiner Steib
2006-12-16 11:18 ` Stephen Berman
@ 2006-12-20 14:08 ` David Kastrup
2006-12-20 15:02 ` Reiner Steib
1 sibling, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: David Kastrup @ 2006-12-20 14:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane <at> imap.cc> writes:
>
> On Tue, Dec 12 2006, David Kastrup wrote:
>
> > Hi, the toolbar icons that get used for connect/disconnect are
> > actually icons for "connected/disconnected".
>
> The names of the corresponding Gnome icons are stock_connect.png and
> stock_disconnect.png so I assumed that they fit, but I don't have a
> strong opinion on this.
>
> > That is, they don't visualize an action, but a state. The customary
> > usage of these connected/disconnected icons is to display the
> > _current_ state, not the state that is reached after pressing the
> > button.
> >
> > The icon images should be swapped, since otherwise they are confusing
> > to users accustomed to them.
>
> Do you have an URL to some Gnome or GTK guidelines? Or some concrete
> examples of Gnome/Gtk applications using stock_connect.png and
> stock_disconnect.png?
I think Evolution uses them. Maybe also Thunderbird.
Perhaps one can normally display the current state, but display the changed
state on mouse-over. It might or might not make it easier to discern what will
happen when pressing.
--
David
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* Re: Strange toolbar icon for connect/disconnect
2006-12-20 14:08 ` David Kastrup
@ 2006-12-20 15:02 ` Reiner Steib
2006-12-22 14:15 ` David Kastrup
0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Reiner Steib @ 2006-12-20 15:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
On Wed, Dec 20 2006, David Kastrup wrote:
> Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane <at> imap.cc> writes:
>> Do you have an URL to some Gnome or GTK guidelines? Or some concrete
>> examples of Gnome/Gtk applications using stock_connect.png and
>> stock_disconnect.png?
>
> I think Evolution uses them. Maybe also Thunderbird.
Okay, evolution uses an icon very similar to stock_connect.png when
"online". (But not stock_disconnect.png when offline). Thunderbird
uses different icons. Both use the logic you suggested.
> Perhaps one can normally display the current state, but display the
> changed state on mouse-over. It might or might not make it easier
> to discern what will happen when pressing.
I've now exchanged the icons and added :help texts to make it more
clear:
(gnus-agent-toggle-plugged "disconnect" t
:help "Gnus is currently unplugged. Click to work online."
:visible (and gnus-agent (not gnus-plugged)))
(gnus-agent-toggle-plugged "connect" t
:help "Gnus is currently plugged. Click to work offline."
:visible (and gnus-agent gnus-plugged))
(Committed in v5-10).
Bye, Reiner.
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,,,
(o o)
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* Re: Strange toolbar icon for connect/disconnect
2006-12-20 15:02 ` Reiner Steib
@ 2006-12-22 14:15 ` David Kastrup
0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: David Kastrup @ 2006-12-22 14:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:
> I've now exchanged the icons and added :help texts to make it more
> clear:
Thanks,
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David Kastrup
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