From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/26768 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hannu Koivisto Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Unable to create Dejanews nnweb groups Date: 13 Nov 1999 03:01:09 +0200 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: <87iu37cii2.fsf@senstation.vvf.fi> References: <873dufhcx8.fsf@senstation.vvf.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035163915 21134 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 01:31:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 01:31:55 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from bart.math.uh.edu (bart.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.48]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA09595 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:02:11 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by bart.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAB26667; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 19:02:09 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Fri, 12 Nov 1999 19:02:27 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (root@sclp3.sclp.com [204.252.123.139]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA07240 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 19:02:14 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from senstation.vvf.fi (senstation.vvf.fi [195.74.10.211]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA09588 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:01:44 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from azure by senstation.vvf.fi with local (Exim 3.03 #1 (Debian)) id 11mRZ0-0002uG-00; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 03:01:10 +0200 Original-To: ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "12 Nov 1999 08:07:21 +0100" Original-Lines: 60 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070099 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.99) Emacs/20.3 Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:26768 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:26768 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: | Supercool! With total and complete headers and all! | | nnweb now does dejanews searches ok again. (loop Supercool!) First I thought that the result is still not quite correct, but now that I read the manual, the behaviour I'm seeing seems to be a feature of nnweb. That is, if I use my original example again and use "~g comp.lang.lisp clorb" as the search string, I get a summary buffer like this: """ R [ 0: Robert Monfera ] Re: LispWorks status R [ 0: David Hanley ] Re: java frontend for R [ 0: David Hanley ] Re: Announcing CLORB a R < 0: Raymond Wiker > R < 0: Lennart Staflin > """ whereas Dejanews tells me (irrelevant stuff stripped; output is from w3m): """ Date * Subject * Author 10/12/ Re: Announcing David 99 CLORB a Commo Hanley 10/10/ Announcing Lennart 99 CLORB a Common Staflin Li 10/29/ Re: java David 99 frontend for Hanley lisp? 10/11/ Re: Announcing Raymond 99 CLORB a Commo Wiker 11/04/ Re: LispWorks Robert 99 status Monfera """ I.e., if I understand correctly, because nnweb doesn't read articles before that is actually requested by the user, it doesn't know message-id and references fields and thus orders the articles of the "Announcing CLORB.." thread randomly (well, probably in the order it gets them or something), which in this case is the reverse of the correct order. Right? I wouldn't probably care about this if Gnus didn't put the initial article of the thread in the middle of the replies, since now that it does, I can't immediately see which one is the initial article (which I consider as useful information when searching for information from articles). But even if it doesn't have the normal information for threading, couldn't it a) put the article with no "Re:" in its subject as the first one and b) order the rest based on the date. As far as I can see, in this case this simple logic would produce the correct ordering. Of course, it would fail to order replies sent on the same day, but that's not so important anyway. Am I making any sense at all? -- Hannu