From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/78195 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eric S Fraga Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: agent/fetch only articles from certain levels Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 18:06:23 +0100 Message-ID: <87k4fh26wg.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> References: <87zkokei6u.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <3waagj1nen.fsf@news.eternal-september.org> <87lj03v23l.fsf@pinto.chemeng.ucl.ac.uk> <87zkojjioy.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <8762r79fb0.fsf@topper.koldfront.dk> <87ipv69ahl.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <871v1uaopg.fsf@topper.koldfront.dk> <87mxkg31mq.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <87zkofi36k.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <87ipv3i051.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1301426375 21635 80.91.229.12 (29 Mar 2011 19:19:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 19:19:35 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M26506@lists.math.uh.edu Tue Mar 29 21:19:31 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4eRv-0006ro-1X for ding-account@gmane.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:19:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4eRS-0004fO-QO; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:19:02 -0500 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4eRR-0004f8-60 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:19:01 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4eRP-0001Bw-Nb for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:19:00 -0500 Original-Received: from vscane-b.ucl.ac.uk ([144.82.108.141]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4eRM-0000RE-Jn for ding@gnus.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:18:56 +0200 Original-Received: from [85.210.134.252] (helo=localhost) by vscane-b.ucl.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4eRI-0003oI-CL for ding@gnus.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 20:18:52 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Richard Riley's message of "Tue, 29 Mar 2011 09:26:25 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110016 (No Gnus v0.16) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Face: av6A"vZ{AypDB`d^.T35oG%$E*Qh]4F)K=*$-NHz5{7WZfAFQFB]F@gf}l9`XLs9(iD?D/! nafKE,S#G!4W/flj=9(U{]t'lP,,5~:s*~;kKR Mail-Followup-To: ding@gnus.org X-UCL-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the UCL Helpdesk, helpdesk@ucl.ac.uk for more information X-UCL-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-UCL-MailScanner-From: e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -4.9 (----) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:78195 Archived-At: Richard Riley writes: > Eric S Fraga writes: >> what I don't understand is why, if I am using gnus *unplugged*, doing >> "C-u 5 g" actually queries any online servers as opposed to querying the >> agent. This does seem to be wrong in some way... it doesn't bother me >> because when I'm offline, I am indeed *offline* and the queries time out >> immediately (with not cost incurred). > > Gnus itself is never unplugged. Only certain servers... Heh ;) Ah ha. You are correct. My confusion came from the inconsistency in the documentation. E.g.: ,---- | J j runs the command gnus-agent-toggle-plugged, which is an | | interactive compiled Lisp function in `gnus-agent.el'. | | | | It is bound to J j, . | | | | (gnus-agent-toggle-plugged SET-TO) | | | | Toggle whether Gnus is unplugged or not. | `---- Note the last line. However, in the info manual, ,---- | Gnus is never really in plugged or unplugged state. Rather, it | applies that state to each server individually. This means that some | servers can be plugged while others can be unplugged. Additionally, | some servers can be ignored by the Agent altogether (which means that | they're kinda like plugged always). | | So when you unplug the Agent and then wonder why is Gnus opening a | connection to the Net, the next step to do is to look whether all | servers are agentized. If there is an unagentized server, you found | the culprit. `---- I guess this means that you need to agentise all servers to avoid incurring costs while unplugged? Since in my case unplugged == "really offline", I don't have your problem with costs... -- : Eric S Fraga (GnuPG: 0xC89193D8FFFCF67D) in Emacs 24.0.50.1 + No Gnus v0.16