scroll bar does not indicate entire article is visible

scroll bar does not indicate entire article is visible

[jidanni]

Gentlemen, I'm sure you will observe that even with this short message
on your large screen, the scroll bar does not completely run the length
of the *Article* buffer, despite (info "(emacs) Scroll Bars") saying
"The scroll bar's inner box is drawn to represent the portion of the
buffer currently displayed, with the entire height of the scroll bar
representing the entire length of the buffer." Disturbing indeed, and
perhaps reflecting a deeper bug in current emacs too. Sure there are
other ways to tell if one is looking at all of something, but those
scroll bars need to be fixed.

In GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.20.1) of
 2011-02-10 on keller, modified by Debian (emacs-snapshot package,
 version 1:20110210-1) Windowing system distributor `The X.Org
 Foundation', version 11.0.10904000 configured using `configure
 '--build' 'i486-linux-gnu' '--host' 'i486-linux-gnu' '--prefix=/usr'
 '--sharedstatedir=/var/lib' '--libexecdir=/usr/lib'
 '--localstatedir=/var' '--infodir=/usr/share/info'
 '--mandir=/usr/share/man' '--with-pop=yes'
 '--enable-locallisppath=/etc/emacs-snapshot:/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/24.0.50/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/24.0.50/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp'
 '--without-compress-info' '--with-x=yes' '--with-x-toolkit=gtk'
 '--with-imagemagick=yes' 'build_alias=i486-linux-gnu'
 'host_alias=i486-linux-gnu' 'CFLAGS=-DDEBIAN
 -DSITELOAD_PURESIZE_EXTRA=5000 -g -O2' 'LDFLAGS=-g -Wl,--as-needed'
 'CPPFLAGS=''

Re: scroll bar does not indicate entire article is visible

[Lars Ingebrigtsen]

jidanni@jidanni.org writes:

> Disturbing indeed, and perhaps reflecting a deeper bug in current
> emacs too.

It's an Emacs bug with some toolkits.  I think there's an open bug for
it somewhere.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: scroll bar does not indicate entire article is visible

[Tassilo Horn]

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

>> Disturbing indeed, and perhaps reflecting a deeper bug in current
>> emacs too.
>
> It's an Emacs bug with some toolkits.  I think there's an open bug for
> it somewhere.

I think it's a long-standing GTK bug nobody wants to fix.  But the GTK
toolbars are far less usable than the usual X toolbars anyway, so I
compile my emacs using --with-x-toolkit=gtk but
--without-toolkit-scrollbars.

Bye,
Tassilo
-- 
Sent from my Emacs

Re: scroll bar does not indicate entire article is visible

[Jim Meyering]

Tassilo Horn wrote:
> Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
>
>>> Disturbing indeed, and perhaps reflecting a deeper bug in current
>>> emacs too.
>>
>> It's an Emacs bug with some toolkits.  I think there's an open bug for
>> it somewhere.
>
> I think it's a long-standing GTK bug nobody wants to fix.  But the GTK
> toolbars are far less usable than the usual X toolbars anyway, so I
> compile my emacs using --with-x-toolkit=gtk but
> --without-toolkit-scrollbars.

Thanks for the tip.  I've just rebuilt emacs with that
(though note it's spelled "scroll-bars", not "scrollbars")

   --with-x-toolkit=gtk --without-toolkit-scroll-bars

and do appreciate the fidelity of the resulting X scrollbars,
but if I stick with this, I'll have to get used to the different
way the scrollbar responds to left and middle-mouse operations
(or maybe configure to suit).  Another drawback of the X scrollbars:
needs to have its color configured to be as unobtrusive as the gtk one.