From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/76481 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: -DWEBHACKDEVEL for Gnus (was: Revision 103117 on the Emacs trunk.) 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:135745 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:76481 Archived-At: On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 05:49:15 +0200 Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Ted Zlatanov >> Is it OK to bring the change back with gnus-overrides.texi and >> -DWEBHACKDEVEL? Or are there objections still? EZ> I still think it's wrong to have a versioned file that needs to be EZ> modified for some optional build. I absolutely agree. But that is no longer the case. gnus-overrides.texi is a static file now, intended for generic Gnus-related @set commands and currently empty. On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 10:06:23 +0100 pmlists@free.fr (Peter Münster) wrote: PM> I know that make can do whatever you want, Oh, I wish that was true, but `make' is horribly limited. Unfortunately it's just good enough to make hacks on top of it popular. On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 09:50:28 +0100 Andreas Schwab wrote: AS> Eli Zaretskii writes: >> You mean, without any files to @include in the manuals? If so, that's >> what I suggested way back in the thread, but was told (I think by Ted) >> that the included file allowed for more than just @set directives, and >> that this additional flexibility, which is impossible to replace with >> the -DFOO options to makeinfo, is anticipated to be needed in the >> future. AS> Which is of course a bogus argument, since you can always add more AS> @ifset controls to the texi file. Andreas, can you explain which argument is bogus? There are three in the cited paragraph. If you're referring to my justification for gnus-overrides.texi that Eli explained, can you explain how you'd rather do it? For example, how would you set 20 GNUS_x variables efficiently for all the Gnus manuals (keeping in mind the same process has to work for Gnus and Emacs both)? Thanks Ted