From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 22454 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2021 16:15:43 -0000 Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu (129.7.128.32) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 6 Sep 2021 16:15:43 -0000 Received: from lists1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.208]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1mNHHY-00G8oL-TA for ml@inbox.vuxu.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2021 11:15:40 -0500 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by lists1.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.94) (envelope-from ) id 1mNHHY-002JT4-8o for ml@inbox.vuxu.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2021 11:15:40 -0500 Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by lists1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94) (envelope-from ) id 1mNHHX-002JSy-AL for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 06 Sep 2021 11:15:39 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94) (envelope-from ) id 1mNHHV-006VhT-5B for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 06 Sep 2021 11:15:38 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=mWtaTaOD4d31tp5NRSK/i2B01uwR35qqAYolgTwAoUk=; b=isbmbnkdSehIdZbyPFRaNtLMfV 8atY/WIPVWtpMhwzmokdeyrAmvl+PlUB4MeElfcP1Znrw2ZpeZMLRlWZW70zft9VU4U+ysEXIXblC 3dKK3SthwuKqs4y7qA0K4JbnttcHCoMaXlA4oph1TqQ19HwDPrgCgXz3Ir0MM+/bMlzU=; Received: from mail.ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mNHHN-00033B-Jv for ding@gnus.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2021 18:15:32 +0200 Received: from localhost (24-113-148-110.wavecable.com [24.113.148.110]) (Authenticated sender: eric@ericabrahamsen.net) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 32575FA014; Mon, 6 Sep 2021 16:15:26 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ericabrahamsen.net; s=mail; t=1630944926; bh=mWtaTaOD4d31tp5NRSK/i2B01uwR35qqAYolgTwAoUk=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=qvR/j2Vd616T+rZckgMzpXDTUpWDkv1FdA4g3HKFr0qO/AE+tYivr/Vit15Vecwtx wSjtdk6eS/67S9jYIM8t/pKB+p4rQd3jYofMbWXePZIk5buhWHmjlv9DO3pE++NTID KxsCWM6cA70EMHTOfgXA3FM+1i14xGQtUBaiGyMo= From: Eric Abrahamsen To: Colin Baxter Cc: ding@gnus.org Subject: Re: gnus-extra-headers References: <87sfyohftb.fsf@yandex.com> <87sfymy6ck.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87y28e6wr1.fsf@yandex.com> <875yvhldf3.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87wnnwv1zy.fsf@yandex.com> <87wnnwid8l.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87bl57to59.fsf@yandex.com> <87sfyiidmf.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87lf4atbu0.fsf@yandex.com> <87h7eyt7zo.fsf@yandex.com> Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2021 09:15:24 -0700 In-Reply-To: <87h7eyt7zo.fsf@yandex.com> (Colin Baxter's message of "Mon, 06 Sep 2021 09:37:31 +0100") Message-ID: <87lf49istf.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain List-ID: Precedence: bulk Colin Baxter writes: > 1. Remove all ~/.gnus.el and related files from system. > 2. emacs-28.0.50 -Q > 3. C-h load-history > 4. Search for loaded gnus libraries. > 5. 2 matches for "gnus" in buffer: *Help* > 3994: (defun . gnus-batch-kill) > 3995: (defun . gnus-set-sorted-intersection) > No nndiary loaded. > 6. C-h gnus-extra-headers > 7. (X-Diary-Time-Zone X-Diary-Dow X-Diary-Year X-Diary-Month X-Diary-Dom > X-Diary-Hour X-Diary-Minute To Cc Keywords Gcc Newsgroups X-GM-LABELS) > Original value was > (To Cc Keywords Gcc Newsgroups X-GM-LABELS) > 8. C-h load-history > 9. Search for loaded gnus libraries. > 10. 4874 matches in 3654 lines for "gnus" in buffer: *Help* > 94 matches in 65 lines for "nndiary" in buffer: *Help* > > > It appears that finding the value of gnus-extra-headers by means of C-h > loads various gnus and nndiary libraries. We cannot find the "original > value" of gnus-extra-headers because we cannot avoid loading nndiary > libraries. > > Is this expected? No, none of that is expected, and it's not what I see here. Doing C-h v gnus-extra-headers does load a bunch of Gnus files, but not nndiary, and the value of the option doesn't change. And the fact that putting a call to (error) (actually, it should have been called with a string argument, but the effect is the same) in nndiary.el doesn't actually raise an error and give you a traceback means that you're not loading that file at all. Are there are multiple Emacs installations on your machine?