From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 21170 invoked from network); 19 May 2020 13:25:01 -0000 Received: from lists1.math.uh.edu (129.7.128.208) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 19 May 2020 13:25:01 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by lists1.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.92.3) (envelope-from ) id 1jb2E7-0006Mf-TL; Tue, 19 May 2020 08:24:11 -0500 Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by lists1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92.3) (envelope-from ) id 1jb2E3-0006Jo-E5 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 19 May 2020 08:24:07 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92.3) (envelope-from ) id 1jb2E1-000891-Ee for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 19 May 2020 08:24:07 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=afpW7cVOIEWj6PsQ8/fne/ZyvnmPdwTDvRrsiujsDdo=; b=uYigUOJjaSuZMJX11zaOXYJuGY HyDh5MARTJpHQVESzVMOfM7etzvCl7X6q1PWaQki0Pmac4sA5/xkWYjDfrkQqyJyyU3d02nMUWe30 w2u5kk3Z5d1UbaqzPV1uEHgDMMJxYMvn35go7C/zjSyZABWe+TUPwFI73anbsj5U9fik=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=marnie) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jb2Dp-0000y0-Ce; Tue, 19 May 2020 15:23:59 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Eric Abrahamsen Cc: David Engster , ding@gnus.org Subject: Re: new wifi connection = nntp timeout = Emacs restart? References: <87sgh3coxn.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87zhb7mlf0.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87a72t35ng.fsf@gnus.org> <87sggkeuvr.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <874kt01w30.fsf@gnus.org> <87r1w4boft.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <877dxwzjz6.fsf@gnus.org> <87mu6sbntb.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87368kziq4.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7x0bm8p.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87y2qcy2vb.fsf@gnus.org> <87mu6sc7hz.fsf@randomsample> <87imhgc58s.fsf@randomsample> <87sggja7hv.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87d07ncrb3.fsf@randomsample> <874ksz89c3.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <878siad4ez.fsf@randomsample> <874ksys73q.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <874ksycmcb.fsf@randomsample> <87mu6qqhoc.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 15:23:52 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87mu6qqhoc.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> (Eric Abrahamsen's message of "Sat, 02 May 2020 12:07:47 -0700") Message-ID: <87lfloqcrb.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain List-ID: Precedence: bulk Eric Abrahamsen writes: > I've already had an off-list vote in the negative! But of course this > would come protected behind a custom option. If we even think there's > any point at all. > > If Lars had a magic bullet, I think he would have used it by now... Yup. :-/ The dbus stuff is good... if you're using NetworkManager (or the like) and have dbus and etc. I'm not saying Gnus shouldn't come with code like the suggested (quite the opposite; it would be very helpful for many people -- could somebody write that as a patch?), but my guesstimate is that this would fix the problem only for a subset of the hangs... -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no