From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/87972 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: asjo@koldfront.dk (Adam =?utf-8?Q?Sj=C3=B8gren?=) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: warn about a BCC field Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2018 12:38:25 +0200 Organization: koldfront - analysis & revolution, Copenhagen, Denmark Message-ID: <87lgdq9iou.fsf@tullinup.koldfront.dk> References: <87d1eaa0q2.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87d0z51px0.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <87vacualzc.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87k1tasuz9.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <87lgdqakkw.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87woxayfj8.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <87y3hq924h.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87lgdqn3lf.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <877epal0m2.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87r2ni9kpm.fsf@tullinup.koldfront.dk> <87a7u6jdvy.fsf@mat.ucm.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1523702236 11517 195.159.176.226 (14 Apr 2018 10:37:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2018 10:37:16 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+m36186@lists.math.uh.edu Sat Apr 14 12:37:12 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from mxfilter-048034.atla03.us.yomura.com ([107.189.48.34]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f7IYS-0002tn-Ga for ding-account@gmane.org; Sat, 14 Apr 2018 12:37:12 +0200 X-Yomura-MXScrub: 1.0 Original-Received: from lists1.math.uh.edu (unknown [129.7.128.208]) by mxfilter-048034.atla03.us.yomura.com (Halon) with ESMTPS id 0b804e46-3fd0-11e8-950a-b499baa2b07a; Sat, 14 Apr 2018 10:39:01 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by lists1.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1f7IZs-0004hO-Mq; Sat, 14 Apr 2018 05:38:40 -0500 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by lists1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1f7IZp-0004gg-RR for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sat, 14 Apr 2018 05:38:37 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1f7IZo-0001OU-QU for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sat, 14 Apr 2018 05:38:37 -0500 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (helo=blaine.gmane.org) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1f7IZl-0007QD-3z for ding@gnus.org; Sat, 14 Apr 2018 12:38:33 +0200 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f7IXb-0001vM-Qq for ding@gnus.org; Sat, 14 Apr 2018 12:36:19 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 78 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org OpenPGP: id=476630590A231909B0A0961A49D0746121BDE416; url=https://asjo.koldfront.dk/gpg.asc Mail-Follow-Up-To: never X-Face: )qY&CseJ?.:=8F#^~GcSA?F=9eu'{KAFfL1C3/A&:nE?PW\i65"ba0NS)97,Q(^@xk}n4Ou rPuR#V8I(J_@~H($[ym:`K_+]*kjvW>xH5jbgLBVFGXY:(#4P>zVBklLbdL&XxL\M)%T}3S/IS9lMJ ^St'=VZBR Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:87972 Archived-At: Uwe writes: > Well now I tried out the webmail interface of this particular gmail > account and the fields > > from: Uwe Brauer > to: Uwe Brauer > cc: Uwe Brauer > bcc: Uwe Brauer > date: Sat, Apr 14, 2018 at 12:07 PM > subject: test bcc via webmail > mailed-by: mat.ucm.es > > Then after sending in my INBOX there is a message > which contains the BCC field. I just tried sending an email from a Gmail account, like this: from: asjoegren@gmail.com to: asjo@koldfront.dk bcc: asjo@asjo.org In "Sent Mail" I see the bcc-header on Gmail. The email received on koldfront.dk does NOT have the Bcc header. The email received on asjo.org does NOT have the Bcc header. This is how I expect things to behave. The only difference I see is that I have not Cc'ed myself on the email (you have). Maybe Gmail realizes that From and Cc is the same, and doesn't strip the Bcc field? Let me try again, this time I do this: from: asjoegren@gmail.com to: asjo@koldfront.dk cc: asjoegren@gmail.com bcc: asjo@asjo.org (Like you). And lo and behold, in Inbox in Gmail I _do_ see the Bcc field. I can see two explanations: a) Either Gmail realizes that From and Cc are identical, and therefore it doesn't strip the Bcc (as to not confuse you), OR b) The search based approach to email means that you have ONE local email showing up both in Sent Mail and in Inbox, which would of course retain the Bcc. And the answer is: b). If I go to Inbox and choose "Show original" I get the exact same URL as if I go to "Sent Mail" and choose "Show original". So what you are seeing is an artefact of how Gmail stores your email. > And I received mails from colleagues which contained BCC fields This is very weird, I don't think that should happen, even when using Gmail. > Ok what about the following? I sent you offline a mail with a BCC field > and you tell me whether you can see it? Shoot! Best regards, Adam -- "I'm a dessertarian." Adam Sjøgren asjo@koldfront.dk