From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/76224 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Antoine Levitt Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Proposed default change: Show the lapsed time instead of the date Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 14:35:23 +0100 Message-ID: <87lj1z98tg.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87mxmpkdu2.fsf@gnus.org> <87k4htjmvk.fsf@keller.adm.naquadah.org> <87pqrkadi9.fsf@gnus.org> <87ei80glix.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> <87oc73usw4.fsf@netarch.haselwarter.org> <87sjwf9q6h.fsf@gnus.org> <87ipxavpgb.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1296567432 7715 80.91.229.12 (1 Feb 2011 13:37:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 13:37:12 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M24576@lists.math.uh.edu Tue Feb 01 14:37:07 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PkGPr-0007pG-2a for ding-account@gmane.org; Tue, 01 Feb 2011 14:37:07 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PkGPj-0007Q9-QJ; Tue, 01 Feb 2011 07:36:59 -0600 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PkGOS-0007PT-9P for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 01 Feb 2011 07:35:40 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PkGON-00067Q-Ll for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 01 Feb 2011 07:35:40 -0600 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PkGOM-0004aP-V9 for ding@gnus.org; Tue, 01 Feb 2011 14:35:34 +0100 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PkGOM-0006pS-Mx for ding@gnus.org; Tue, 01 Feb 2011 14:35:34 +0100 Original-Received: from portable64.ceremade.dauphine.fr ([193.48.71.64]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 01 Feb 2011 14:35:34 +0100 Original-Received: from antoine.levitt by portable64.ceremade.dauphine.fr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 01 Feb 2011 14:35:34 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 42 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: portable64.ceremade.dauphine.fr User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:cfZSXlvamtioJR8KUycB6uxIKD0= X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:76224 Archived-At: 01/02/11 13:34, Detlev Zundel > Hi, > >> On Wed, Jan 26 2011, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: >> >>> Philipp Haselwarter writes: >>> >>>> RS> | Date: 2011-01-25 21:18:22 GMT (10 hours and 17 minutes ago) >>>> >>>> I like this. It is informative, readable and it makes sense. *want* >>> >>> I've now pushed out a variant of this. Probably needs some >>> bikeshedding before it's perfect. :-) >> >> Ahhhh!!!!!! No seconds, no seconds!!!! I love it, except please for the >> love of god don't make my new messages tick at me… > > Yes, seconded. Actually after updating emacs from git, this nuisance > made me look up this thread and state my clear aversion of this > irritating change. Please stick to a static mail display. > > Cheers > Detlev Thirded. This is a great change, but it needs better defaults. It seems to me a sensible automagical default would be to display only one segment, and never display seconds. In other words: - Elapsed time is >1h : display "n hours ago" - Elapsed time is >1m, <1h : display "m minutes ago" - Elapsed time is <1m : display "less than one minute ago", or "just now", or something like that. AFAIK, this is close to what gmail does. Of course, this being emacs, it should be customizable. What do you think? Also, 1s is too short for emacs to run a timer. Shouldn't gnus-article-update-date-headers be higher? Antoine