From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/69603 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: gnus agent, google reader and gmail folders (was: Having sent mail inside threads in inbox) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 12:34:19 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87ljcif2p0.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> References: <87633s7io1.fsf@gmail.com> <201004152051.28835.tassilo@member.fsf.org> <878w8o5tt1.fsf@gmail.com> <201004160752.36851.tassilo@member.fsf.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1271784905 13345 80.91.229.12 (20 Apr 2010 17:35:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 17:35:05 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M17994@lists.math.uh.edu Tue Apr 20 19:34:57 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O4HLW-0007ZJ-CL for ding-account@gmane.org; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 19:34:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1O4HLO-0000eh-AI; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 12:34:42 -0500 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1O4HLM-0000eL-CC for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 12:34:40 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O4HLJ-0001Zv-QZ for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 12:34:40 -0500 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1O4HLJ-0001Jn-00 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 19:34:37 +0200 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O4HLE-0007Oy-Jp for ding@gnus.org; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 19:34:32 +0200 Original-Received: from 38.98.147.130 ([38.98.147.130]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 19:34:32 +0200 Original-Received: from tzz by 38.98.147.130 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 19:34:32 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ connect(): No such file or directory Original-Lines: 53 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.98.147.130 X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6;d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:UFuUdWSKjLMryqMbUsa45pLcQbc= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:69603 Archived-At: On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 07:52:36 +0200 Tassilo Horn wrote: TH> That seems to be some Gmail magic. For me, the mail is only put into TH> the folder I specify with gcc-self, and normally that's the current one TH> (t) or "nnimap+Account:Sent" for mailinglists. All groups on GMail are virtual: the folder name is really just a tag on the message (this makes their IMAP implementation a bit weird IIRC). So the way GMail threads is fundamentally easier than we can do over IMAP, which breaks folders apart. We'd have to implement cross-group threading, not an easy or very useful (for non-GMailers) task IMO. So as Antoine says, virtual groups will have to do for GMail users. On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 12:31:28 +0200 Antoine Levitt wrote: AL> Tassilo Horn writes: >> Well, at least it's a known problem. The agent was designed mostly for >> nntp and doesn't handle backends (like imap) where mails can be deleted, >> copied and moved well. So disabling the agent for those servers is the >> best you can do. Simply go to the server buffer (^ in *Group*) and >> disable the agend for the gmail account. AL> Then why isn't it disabled by default for other backends? Presumably AL> that's a one-line patch, and it would have saved and other beginners AL> some trouble. There's been a lot of people involved in the Gnus Agent. Unfortunately I don't use it at all so I can't comment on this part, but perhaps the experts can explain a) why it's enabled by default, b) what's currently missing or broken, and c) what's the plan for the future; that would be especially useful if any of those differ currently from what's in the Agent manual. AL> Thanks for your help! Gnus is pretty amazing once you take it the right AL> way. Next thing on my todo list: integrate google reader! Here are some links that may help you; I was collecting them for the next chance I had to work in this direction: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs-en/GoogleClient http://emacspeak.blogspot.com/2007/03/emacs-client-for-google-services.html http://groups.google.com/group/emacs-g-client?pli=1 I am very interested in this as a supplement to nnrss. As long as it's written in a way that's not exclusive to Google (so anyone, in theory, could set up their own reader-like server) I think it's worthwhile. If it's very Google-specific it may be a hard sell to include it in Emacs and we'd be at Google's mercy if they decide to change or disable the Reader API. Would you be willing to work on this? Thanks Ted