From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/69467 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general,gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: hashcash removal from Gnus? does anyone use it? Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 13:10:20 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87ljdix62b.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87k4t3xehn.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87fx3rujbp.fsf@topper.koldfront.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1269367851 9093 80.91.229.12 (23 Mar 2010 18:10:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:10:51 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: asjo@koldfront.dk (Adam =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sj=F8gren?=) Original-X-From: ding-owner+M17862@lists.math.uh.edu Tue Mar 23 19:10:43 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nu8Ys-0003SC-RG for ding-account@gmane.org; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:10:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Nu8Ya-0000G6-S1; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 13:10:24 -0500 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Nu8YZ-0000Fv-Nd for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 13:10:23 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nu8YY-0000VD-E8 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 13:10:23 -0500 Original-Received: from blockstar.com ([208.100.47.114] helo=mail.blockstar.com) by quimby with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1Nu9Uc-0005b7-00 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 20:10:22 +0100 Original-Received: from heechee (c-98-227-29-141.hsd1.il.comcast.net [98.227.29.141]) by mail.blockstar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF2CDA68653; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 13:10:25 -0500 (CDT) X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6;d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" In-Reply-To: <87fx3rujbp.fsf@topper.koldfront.dk> ("Adam =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sj?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=F8gren=22's?= message of "Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:52:10 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:69467 gmane.emacs.devel:122570 Archived-At: On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:52:10 +0100 asjo@koldfront.dk (Adam Sj=F8gren) wrote= :=20 AS> On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 10:08:20 -0500, Ted wrote: >> Does anyone actually use hashcash (on the receiver or sender side)? AS> I still send them, but only because I liked the idea not from any AS> observed actual benefit. AS> I seem to remember that SpamAssassin looked at HashCash, though. AS> Any reason to remove it? It's all over message.el, which is used outside of Gnus. Also it's a lot of code (29 matches with grep) that very few are using. We tend to accumulate cruft in Gnus and I'd like to get rid of at least the obviously unused code. On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 12:19:50 -0400 Greg Troxel wrote:= =20 GT> I include hashcash on outgoing mail, and have spamassassin give negative GT> points to incoming mail with hashcash tokens. GT> Are you asking if hashcash should not be generated by default, or if GT> support should be removed? Making it non default seems reasonable, but GT> removing it seems unwarranted unless its presence is causing a GT> maintenance hassle. I think we should put it in contrib and enable it only through special setup, rather than through message.el direct support. I asked for a count exactly so I can find out if that's warranted or if I should leave it alone because it's more popular than I think. Ted