From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: (qmail 15325 invoked from network); 2 May 2020 19:08:05 -0000 Received: from lists1.math.uh.edu (129.7.128.208) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 2 May 2020 19:08:05 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by lists1.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.92.3) (envelope-from ) id 1jUxUZ-0002fg-IW for ml@inbox.vuxu.org; Sat, 02 May 2020 14:08:03 -0500 Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by lists1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92.3) (envelope-from ) id 1jUxUX-0002fX-I0 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sat, 02 May 2020 14:08:01 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92.3) (envelope-from ) id 1jUxUW-00078x-1o for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sat, 02 May 2020 14:08:01 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=lGp4kBVdfo5AZREfUTNOdjIPAKiw64shH0zqZrv+cIU=; b=JpzgpoTgp8819UDta0q5RkKXd8 057xt5z96dD2vK5Psc5ogRMtSjqC1A3nHuRLbBLcK73fn69KCsdJ56EvV5TRxfJF1YiyjxXqkRx4V 5i93qQQtHSJgpALNenbO6ygvAJnjiaOyN73XrrqKGxlGMmXa1IRy/jCQloW6GgcWR3Pg=; Received: from ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18] helo=mail.ericabrahamsen.net) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jUxUO-00071A-2x; Sat, 02 May 2020 21:07:54 +0200 Received: from localhost (c-73-254-86-141.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [73.254.86.141]) (Authenticated sender: eric@ericabrahamsen.net) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E03A2FA0E2; Sat, 2 May 2020 19:07:49 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric Abrahamsen To: David Engster Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , ding@gnus.org Subject: Re: new wifi connection = nntp timeout = Emacs restart? References: <87sgh3coxn.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87o8rogew7.fsf@barthel.ch> <87zhb7mlf0.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87a72t35ng.fsf@gnus.org> <87sggkeuvr.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <874kt01w30.fsf@gnus.org> <87r1w4boft.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <877dxwzjz6.fsf@gnus.org> <87mu6sbntb.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87368kziq4.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7x0bm8p.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87y2qcy2vb.fsf@gnus.org> <87mu6sc7hz.fsf@randomsample> <87imhgc58s.fsf@randomsample> <87sggja7hv.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87d07ncrb3.fsf@randomsample> <874ksz89c3.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <878siad4ez.fsf@randomsample> <874ksys73q.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <874ksycmcb.fsf@randomsample> Date: Sat, 02 May 2020 12:07:47 -0700 In-Reply-To: <874ksycmcb.fsf@randomsample> (David Engster's message of "Sat, 02 May 2020 18:50:44 +0200") Message-ID: <87mu6qqhoc.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain List-ID: Precedence: bulk David Engster writes: >> But this requires installing the NetworkManager package, right? > > For detecting network changes, yes. > >> Which I've been happily doing without. > > Me too, until yesterday, but not happily. Dealing with WiFi through 'iw' > and editing /etc/network/interfaces is not a success story, IMHO. I've had pretty good luck with netctl and it's wifi-menu program. >> I wonder what percentage of Gnus users are on dbus-enabled systems... > > On GNU/Linux: high percentage. It's very hard to remove DBus from a > modern distribution. Unless you're working on a tty or only use > 'startx', it's most probably running. > >> I don't suppose it's worth trying to make something built-in for them. > > I think it does no harm to have something like this as long as it > doesn't bother people who don't want/have it. I'm sure Lars will > eventually come up with the perfect method to detect stale TCP > connections, but even then I'd consider this useful. I've already had an off-list vote in the negative! But of course this would come protected behind a custom option. If we even think there's any point at all. If Lars had a magic bullet, I think he would have used it by now...