From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/75422 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: asjo@koldfront.dk (Adam =?utf-8?Q?Sj=C3=B8gren?=) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Just shoot me now (was Re: What's wrong with this fancy split?) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 20:44:09 +0100 Organization: koldfront - analysis & revolution, Copenhagen, Denmark Message-ID: <87mxnx8ueu.fsf@topper.koldfront.dk> References: <87tyi58y8i.fsf@topper.koldfront.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1293047090 22255 80.91.229.12 (22 Dec 2010 19:44:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 19:44:50 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M23774@lists.math.uh.edu Wed Dec 22 20:44:43 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PVUc6-0005oK-Gq for ding-account@gmane.org; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 20:44:42 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PVUbn-0007Do-On; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 13:44:23 -0600 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PVUbm-0007DY-7H for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 13:44:22 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PVUbl-0007LH-1N for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 13:44:22 -0600 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PVUbk-0008RJ-BI for ding@gnus.org; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 20:44:20 +0100 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PVUbj-0005ZC-Um for ding@gnus.org; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 20:44:19 +0100 Original-Received: from rain.gmane.org ([80.91.229.7]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 20:44:19 +0100 Original-Received: from asjo by rain.gmane.org with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 20:44:19 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Lines: 38 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: rain.gmane.org Mail-Copies-To: never X-Now-Playing: So What, The Mind Is A Terrible Thing To Taste (Ministry) X-Face: )qY&CseJ?.:=8F#^~GcSA?F=9eu'{KAFfL1C3/A&:nE?PW\i65"ba0NS)97,Q(^@xk}n4Ou rPuR#V8I(J_@~H($[ym:`K_+]*kjvW>xH5jbgLBVFGXY:(#4P>zVBklLbdL&XxL\M)%T}3S/IS9lMJ ^St'=VZBR Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:75422 Archived-At: On Wed, 22 Dec 2010 13:12:52 -0600, Tommy wrote: > So my questions at the moment are definitely not veiled demands for > someone to fix things for me. Rather they are mostly requests for > information to allow *me* to do the fixing. Great! > Of course some pre-requisite knowledge really is pre-requisite. You > can't do physics without calculus. But sometimes the lower levels are > poking through needlessly. You *don't* need to understand Goedel's > Incompleteness Theorem to do physics, even though it is profoundly > important. "Just" Emacs is kind of a beast to get into, even just terminology-wise. It is not an easy balance: How much can you as a manual-writer of Gnus assume that the reader is familiar with Emacs? With Emacs lisp? I used to be exceedingly annoyed about examples in Emacs manuals, because I could never figure the quoting out. I seem to have learned something by osmosis, because I am not as annoyed any more. > Regardless, in many cases I think a bit of extra wordiness in the > docs will allow the new user to get moving faster, thereby helping their > learning when the time comes for them to dive into the guts and, > conversely, lowering the question burden on the experts. Reuse an' all > that :-) Agreed - I think your patches will be welcomed with open arms :-) Best regards, Adam -- "Accept the mystery!" Adam Sjøgren asjo@koldfront.dk