From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/64158 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Steinar Bang Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: The displaying of ISO-8859-15 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 08:50:09 +0100 Organization: Probably a good idea Message-ID: <87mz58lary.fsf@bang.priv.no> References: <87vekekbsn.fsf@bang.priv.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: dough.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1167292246 11427 80.91.229.10 (28 Dec 2006 07:50:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 07:50:46 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ding-owner+M12681@lists.math.uh.edu Thu Dec 28 08:50:45 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by dough.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Gzq2D-0002L8-Mi for ding-account@gmane.org; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 08:50:41 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gzq20-0000wt-RT; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 01:50:28 -0600 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gzq1y-0000wX-Lq for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 01:50:26 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gzq1x-000468-5g for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 01:50:26 -0600 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Gzq1w-00088J-00 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 08:50:24 +0100 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Gzq1r-0000dz-6a for ding@gnus.org; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 08:50:19 +0100 Original-Received: from ti531210a080-6656.bb.online.no ([83.109.218.4]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 08:50:19 +0100 Original-Received: from sb by ti531210a080-6656.bb.online.no with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 08:50:19 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: ding@gnus.org Original-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Lines: 95 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ti531210a080-6656.bb.online.no Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/21.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:8vFJwjtWjDjsQ3Kt+E8XRzoMULg= X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:64158 Archived-At: >>>>> Reiner Steib : > On Thu, Dec 14 2006, Steinar Bang wrote: >> So I figured out how to make Gnus cast replies and followups to >> 8859-15 messages into 8859-1 when responding, and was satisfied with >> that. > I guess you refer to `mm-coding-system-priorities', aren't you? Not sure. What I did was to put (charset . iso-8859-1) in the group parameters. mm-coding-system-priorities seems to be nil for me. Is that better to use? > It might also be an Emacs configuration issue. `C-u C-x =' will tell > you which font is used for -1 / and -15. character: ø (04370, 2296, 0x8f8) charset: latin-iso8859-1 (Right-Hand Part of Latin Alphabet 1 (ISO/IEC 8859-1): ISO-IR-100) code point: 120 syntax: word category: l:Latin buffer code: 0x81 0xF8 file code: 0x81 0xF8 (encoded by coding system raw-text-unix) font: -Misc-Fixed-Medium-R-SemiCondensed--13-120-75-75-C-60-ISO8859-1 character: ø (07570, 3960, 0xf78) charset: latin-iso8859-15 (Right-Hand Part of Latin Alphabet 9 (ISO/IEC 8859-15): ISO-IR-203) code point: 120 syntax: word category: l:Latin buffer code: 0x8E 0xF8 file code: 0x8E 0xF8 (encoded by coding system raw-text-unix) font: -Misc-Fixed-Medium-R-Normal--6-60-75-75-C-40-ISO8859-15 (hm... what coding will this get on outgoing I wonder...?) > I'd suggest to load a file with Scandinavian chars with "emacs -q > -no-site-file" with both charsets (`C-x C-m c iso-8859-... RET C-x > C-f foo.txt RET'). Maybe there's some error in your configuration. I got the same ugly font for ISO-8859-15 as I'm getting in Gnus. I've got a 13k screen shot showing the two emacsen displaying the file in the two fonts, for those that are interested. > Well, Emacs can do something: `unify-8859-on-decoding-mode', but it > has some pitfalls. If your Gnus is sufficiently recent, you might > use `mm-charset-override-alist'. But I wouldn't recommend this > unless when using some old/non-MULE (X)Emacs which is not aware of > Latin-9 (even then, `mm-charset-synonym-alist' would make more > sense.) Ok, mm-charset-synonym-alist is something to look at then. This is my current setting: ((windows-1255 . iso-8859-8) (windows-1254 . iso-8859-9) (windows-1252 . iso-8859-1) (windows-1250) (big5-hkscs . big5) (unicode . utf-16-le) (ks_c_5601-1987 . euc-kr)) > Latin-1 and Latin-9 differ in 8 positions[1], not only the EUR char. Ouch. But none of those differences listed below will normally affect Norwegian language email messages and news postings. Thanx! - Steinar > [1] > ,----[ Latin-1 vs. Latin-9 ] >> -ISO_8859-1(7) Linux Programmer's Manual ISO_8859-1(7) >> +ISO_8859-15(7) Linux Programmer's Manual ISO_8859-15(7) >> - 244 164 A4 CURRENCY SIGN >> + 244 164 A4 EURO SIGN >> - 246 166 A6 BROKEN BAR >> + 246 166 A6 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER S WITH CARON >> - 250 168 A8 DIAERESIS >> + 250 168 A8 LATIN SMALL LETTER S WITH CARON >> - 264 180 B4 ACUTE ACCENT >> + 264 180 B4 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER Z WITH CARON >> - 270 184 B8 CEDILLA >> + 270 184 B8 LATIN SMALL LETTER Z WITH CARON >> - 274 188 BC VULGAR FRACTION ONE QUARTER >> - 275 189 BD VULGAR FRACTION ONE HALF >> - 276 190 BE VULGAR FRACTION THREE QUARTERS >> + 274 188 BC LATIN CAPITAL LIGATURE OE >> + 275 189 BD LATIN SMALL LIGATURE OE >> + 276 190 BE LATIN CAPITAL LETTER Y WITH DIAERESIS