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From: deskpot@despammed.com (Vasily Korytov)
Subject: Re: Charset encoding brokenness
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:03:00 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87n0bkfrvf.fsf@unix.home> (raw)
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On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:41:35 +0100, Jesper Harder wrote:

> deskpot@despammed.com (Vasily Korytov) writes:
>
>>> 1. When I ask someone to forward a message, I usually want a
>>> _verbatim_ copy, not an interpretation by Gnus.
>>
>> Hm. Then we really should have different options to have both
>> interpretation and verbatim plaintext forwards.
>
> We already have that ... the problem is that verbatim forward is
> currently broken.

Heh. The ``interpretation'' forward _is_ broken. I've just updated Gnus
from CVS. See lower for details.

>> In fact, the interpretation is much more often desired. What the use do
>> I have of base64 undecoded?
>
> If you just want to read the message, then it doesn't matter if it's
> base64 encoded -- Gnus decodes it automatically, so you won't even
> notice unless you view the raw message.

You didn't get it: I set message-forward-as-mime to nil and press C-c
C-f and get a block like:

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Subject: Re: Oort Gnus
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>> And if that wasn't me -- but some poor Outlook or even fido users?
>
> Outlook has no problem with viewing base64.  I don't know about Fido,
> but I'd consider any client which doesn't do base64 to be extremely
> obsolete.

I know no MUA, that handle such constructions properly. Even Gnus.

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  reply	other threads:[~2003-10-29  7:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-10-27 21:49 Jesper Harder
2003-10-28  0:48 ` Simon Josefsson
2003-10-28  1:42   ` Jesper Harder
2003-10-28  3:01     ` Jesper Harder
2003-10-28  7:07       ` Vasily Korytov
2003-10-28 16:41         ` Jesper Harder
2003-10-29  7:03           ` Vasily Korytov [this message]
2003-10-29 12:39             ` Vasily Korytov
2003-10-29 21:22             ` Simon Josefsson
2003-10-29 21:30       ` Simon Josefsson
2003-10-29 21:17     ` Simon Josefsson
2003-10-31 16:29 ` Simon Josefsson
2003-10-31 22:23   ` Jesper Harder

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