* aren't virtual groups not updated @ 2021-04-27 8:41 Uwe Brauer 2021-04-27 16:04 ` Eric Abrahamsen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Uwe Brauer @ 2021-04-27 8:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Hi I created a Virtual Group that consists of my actual INBOX (using the nnimap backend for my gmail acount) and a another group on the same server. However when I visited that group today, it seems that new messages were added after I created that group a couple of days ago. Do I miss something here or do I have to create that group every day or whenever I receive new messages? Regards Uwe Brauer ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: aren't virtual groups not updated 2021-04-27 8:41 aren't virtual groups not updated Uwe Brauer @ 2021-04-27 16:04 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2021-04-28 19:45 ` Uwe Brauer 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2021-04-27 16:04 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es> writes: > Hi > > I created a Virtual Group that consists of my actual INBOX (using the > nnimap backend for my gmail acount) and a another group on the same server. > > However when I visited that group today, it seems that new messages were > added after I created that group a couple of days ago. > > Do I miss something here or do I have to create that group every day or > whenever I receive new messages? At this point I would suggest using nnselect groups rather than nnvirtual groups for this sort of thing. I think you'll find they work much more reliably. See the "select groups" section of the Gnus manual. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: aren't virtual groups not updated 2021-04-27 16:04 ` Eric Abrahamsen @ 2021-04-28 19:45 ` Uwe Brauer 2021-04-28 19:57 ` Tassilo Horn 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Uwe Brauer @ 2021-04-28 19:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 940 bytes --] >>> "EA" == Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes: > Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es> writes: >> Hi >> >> I created a Virtual Group that consists of my actual INBOX (using the >> nnimap backend for my gmail acount) and a another group on the same server. >> >> However when I visited that group today, it seems that new messages were >> added after I created that group a couple of days ago. >> >> Do I miss something here or do I have to create that group every day or >> whenever I receive new messages? > At this point I would suggest using nnselect groups rather than > nnvirtual groups for this sort of thing. I think you'll find they work > much more reliably. See the "select groups" section of the Gnus manual. No sure I understand, can I do that interactively on the fly as I can do this with virtual groups? Do you really mean this http://www.gnus.org/manual/gnus_80.html#Select-Methods [-- Attachment #2: smime.p7s --] [-- Type: application/pkcs7-signature, Size: 5673 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: aren't virtual groups not updated 2021-04-28 19:45 ` Uwe Brauer @ 2021-04-28 19:57 ` Tassilo Horn 2021-04-28 20:06 ` Uwe Brauer 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Tassilo Horn @ 2021-04-28 19:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Uwe Brauer; +Cc: ding Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es> writes: >> At this point I would suggest using nnselect groups rather than >> nnvirtual groups for this sort of thing. I think you'll find they >> work much more reliably. See the "select groups" section of the Gnus >> manual. > > No sure I understand, can I do that interactively on the fly as I can do > this with virtual groups? > > Do you really mean this > http://www.gnus.org/manual/gnus_80.html#Select-Methods No, he means (info "(gnus) Selection Groups"). HTH, Tassilo ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: aren't virtual groups not updated 2021-04-28 19:57 ` Tassilo Horn @ 2021-04-28 20:06 ` Uwe Brauer 2021-04-28 20:43 ` Adam Sjøgren 2021-04-29 7:50 ` Tassilo Horn 0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Uwe Brauer @ 2021-04-28 20:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Tassilo Horn; +Cc: Uwe Brauer, ding [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2342 bytes --] >>> "TH" == Tassilo Horn <tsdh@gnu.org> writes: > Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es> writes: >>> At this point I would suggest using nnselect groups rather than >>> nnvirtual groups for this sort of thing. I think you'll find they >>> work much more reliably. See the "select groups" section of the Gnus >>> manual. >> >> No sure I understand, can I do that interactively on the fly as I can do >> this with virtual groups? >> >> Do you really mean this >> http://www.gnus.org/manual/gnus_80.html#Select-Methods > No, he means (info "(gnus) Selection Groups"). Well, the latter gives me, and I quote ,---- | | 7 Select Methods | **************** | | A “foreign group” is a group not read by the usual (or default) means. | It could be, for instance, a group from a different NNTP server, it | could be a virtual group, or it could be your own personal mail group. | | A foreign group (or any group, really) is specified by a “name” and a | “select method”. To take the latter first, a select method is a list | where the first element says what back end to use (e.g., ‘nntp’, | ‘nnspool’, ‘nnml’) and the second element is the “server name”. There | may be additional elements in the select method, where the value may | have special meaning for the back end in question. | | One could say that a select method defines a “virtual server”—so we | do just that (*note Server Buffer::). | ETC ETC `---- While the former via the link ,---- | A foreign group is a group not read by the usual (or default) means. | It could be, for instance, a group from a different NNTP server, it | could be a virtual group, or it could be your own personal mail group. | | A foreign group (or any group, really) is specified by a name and a | select method. To take the latter first, a select method is a list | where the first element says what back end to use (e.g., nntp, | nnspool, nnml) and the second element is the server name. There may be | additional elements in the select method, where the value may have | special meaning for the back end in question. | | One could say that a select method defines a virtual server—so we do just that (see section Server Buffer). | ETC ETC `---- Call me shortsighted but they look identical to me. [-- Attachment #2: smime.p7s --] [-- Type: application/pkcs7-signature, Size: 5673 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: aren't virtual groups not updated 2021-04-28 20:06 ` Uwe Brauer @ 2021-04-28 20:43 ` Adam Sjøgren 2021-04-29 7:41 ` Uwe Brauer 2021-04-29 7:50 ` Tassilo Horn 1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Adam Sjøgren @ 2021-04-28 20:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Uwe writes: >>>> "TH" == Tassilo Horn <tsdh@gnu.org> writes: >> Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es> writes: >>> Do you really mean this >>> http://www.gnus.org/manual/gnus_80.html#Select-Methods >> No, he means (info "(gnus) Selection Groups"). > Well, the latter gives me, and I quote > > ,---- > | > | 7 Select Methods > | **************** For me the latter starts: 7.7.1 Select Groups ------------------- Gnus provides the “nnselect” method for creating virtual groups composed of collections of messages, even when these messages come from groups that span multiple servers and backends. For the most part these virtual groups behave like any other group: messages may be threaded, marked, moved, deleted, copied, etc.; groups may be ephemeral or persistent; groups may be created via ‘gnus-group-make-group’ or browsed as foreign via ‘gnus-group-browse-foreign-server’. Are you using an Emacs/Gnus from before Select Methods were introduced, by any chance? Best regards, Adam -- "Pucker up for heavens sake Adam Sjøgren There's never been so much at stake" asjo@koldfront.dk ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: aren't virtual groups not updated 2021-04-28 20:43 ` Adam Sjøgren @ 2021-04-29 7:41 ` Uwe Brauer 2021-04-29 8:54 ` Adam Sjøgren 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Uwe Brauer @ 2021-04-29 7:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 979 bytes --] > Uwe writes: > For me the latter starts: > 7.7.1 Select Groups > ------------------- > Gnus provides the “nnselect” method for creating virtual groups composed > of collections of messages, even when these messages come from groups > that span multiple servers and backends. For the most part these > virtual groups behave like any other group: messages may be threaded, > marked, moved, deleted, copied, etc.; groups may be ephemeral or > persistent; groups may be created via ‘gnus-group-make-group’ or browsed > as foreign via ‘gnus-group-browse-foreign-server’. > Are you using an Emacs/Gnus from before Select Methods were introduced, > by any chance? Thanks, hm I just compiled GNU emacs from git master (ok not now, the version is from last Sunday) but it seems that my Info system is ah screwed. Great. Thanks for the information (I have to check the info system later, very odd indeed) [-- Attachment #2: smime.p7s --] [-- Type: application/pkcs7-signature, Size: 5673 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: aren't virtual groups not updated 2021-04-29 7:41 ` Uwe Brauer @ 2021-04-29 8:54 ` Adam Sjøgren 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Adam Sjøgren @ 2021-04-29 8:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Uwe writes: > Thanks, hm I just compiled GNU emacs from git master (ok not now, the > version is from last Sunday) but it seems that my Info system is ah > screwed. Great. Maybe you did some custom configuration and forgot about it again? :-), Adam -- "Wow, he just made the international Adam Sjøgren sign of the doughnut." asjo@koldfront.dk ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: aren't virtual groups not updated 2021-04-28 20:06 ` Uwe Brauer 2021-04-28 20:43 ` Adam Sjøgren @ 2021-04-29 7:50 ` Tassilo Horn 1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Tassilo Horn @ 2021-04-29 7:50 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Uwe Brauer; +Cc: ding >>> Do you really mean this >>> http://www.gnus.org/manual/gnus_80.html#Select-Methods > >> No, he means (info "(gnus) Selection Groups"). > > Well, the latter gives me, and I quote > > ,---- > | > | 7 Select Methods > | **************** > | > | A “foreign group” is a group not read by the usual (or default) > | means. Hm, well, for me (emacs master), it gives: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- 7.7.1 Select Groups ------------------- Gnus provides the “nnselect” method for creating virtual groups composed of collections of messages, even when these messages come from groups that span multiple servers and backends. For the most part these virtual groups behave like any other group: messages may be threaded, marked, moved, deleted, copied, etc.; groups may be ephemeral or persistent; groups may be created via ‘gnus-group-make-group’ or browsed as foreign via ‘gnus-group-browse-foreign-server’. --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- So nnselect is a virtual, search-based group, e.g., a new and better replacement for what has been nnir in previous Gnus versions. Bye, Tassilo ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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