From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/78989 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: nntp-record-commands is named badly; nnbackend-debug is needed Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 14:22:44 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87oc2iad4r.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87oc30cn8d.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87hb8r3epz.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87ipsrp5ft.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1306869907 2637 80.91.229.12 (31 May 2011 19:25:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 19:25:07 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M27289@lists.math.uh.edu Tue May 31 21:25:04 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QRUYp-0002gd-AA for ding-account@gmane.org; Tue, 31 May 2011 21:25:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1QRUYe-00076A-KH; Tue, 31 May 2011 14:24:52 -0500 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1QRUYd-00075z-Bn for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 31 May 2011 14:24:51 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1QRUYZ-0006C0-AV for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 31 May 2011 14:24:51 -0500 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QRUYX-0003UY-Dc for ding@gnus.org; Tue, 31 May 2011 21:24:45 +0200 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QRUYX-0002Xi-15 for ding@gnus.org; Tue, 31 May 2011 21:24:45 +0200 Original-Received: from 38.98.147.130 ([38.98.147.130]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 31 May 2011 21:24:45 +0200 Original-Received: from tzz by 38.98.147.130 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 31 May 2011 21:24:45 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Lines: 23 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.98.147.130 X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6;d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:V7G9x8edQJM6S51OMohidCAEMrA= X-Spam-Score: -3.7 (---) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:78989 Archived-At: On Tue, 31 May 2011 20:53:18 +0200 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote: LMI> Ted Zlatanov writes: >> I am trying to avoid the annoyance of having a *-debug variable for each >> backend. My debug macro IMHO is an improvement over the current >> approach of "do whatever debugging, however you want" and is analogous >> to how `gnus-message' improves messaging for Gnus. LMI> There's also some value to keeping things simple. The backend debugging LMI> stuff isn't as pervasive as the `gnus-message' stuff, I think. True, but it's badly named and scattered all over the place as it is. Do you think the situation will get better over time? I doubt it. LMI> And the `gnus-message' thing is meant to be tweaked by the user, while LMI> the debug thing isn't... Every time someone has a bug report, we say "turn xyz-debug on, then..." so obviously it's important to make it as easy as possible. It will help the users and the developers to have just one variable to customize instead of 5 or so. Ted