From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/59079 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: asterisks disappear Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 07:56:25 +0900 Message-ID: <87oei8kl0m.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> References: <87sm7ojvra.fsf@enki.rimspace.net> <874qk2dix8.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> <87vfchcmrj.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> <4nis8gfvr7.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87zn1sldkv.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1099954813 12876 80.91.229.6 (8 Nov 2004 23:00:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 23:00:13 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ding-owner+M7619@lists.math.uh.edu Tue Nov 09 00:00:05 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13] ident=mail) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CRIUX-0007tL-00 for ; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 00:00:05 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1CRIRM-0000gR-00; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 16:56:48 -0600 Original-Received: from util2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.23]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1CRIRH-0000g4-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 16:56:43 -0600 Original-Received: from justine.libertine.org ([66.139.78.221] ident=postfix) by util2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CRIRD-0004qA-SX for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 16:56:40 -0600 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by justine.libertine.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D7E13A0040 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 16:56:37 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CRIR9-00089F-00 for ; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 23:56:35 +0100 Original-Received: from yokohama2-61-203-152-244.ap.0038.net ([61.203.152.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 23:56:35 +0100 Original-Received: from miles by yokohama2-61-203-152-244.ap.0038.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 23:56:35 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Lines: 33 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: yokohama2-61-203-152-244.ap.0038.net System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu Cancel-Lock: sha1:/hfz+EUrtfg6oV3z0LCjpwlIJPg= Precedence: bulk Original-Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:59079 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:59079 Katsumi Yamaoka writes: > I still think it is better to show all text by default. It > doesn't mean abolishing emphasis but, for example: > > * scratch * => *scratch* I understand what you mean. For bold, it's not so bad. But in the case of underlining, it's _really_ ugly -- underlined+non-hidden text looks _worse_ than simply doing no processing at all. [BTW, if you're going to retain the emphasis characters, apply the emphasis to them too. *foo* looks less weird than *foo*.] > It might look indeed ugly. However, there is likely to be this > custom (i.e. hiding asterisks) only in Gnus and others don't > seem to do so. I don't think it's so important what other clients do, I think it only matters that what Gnus does (1) `makes sense', and (2) doesn't screw up. In the case of _underlining_, Gnus' heuristics work very well -- there seem to be extremely few false matches -- but for *bold*, Emacs buffer names and common-lisp global-variables provide a source of frequent false matches. Since underlining+non-hidden looks _really_ bad, but bold+non-hidden is not that horrible, I think this means that they deserve independent defaults. -Miles -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.