From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/32874 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Daniel Pittman" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: (concat "/dir/name/" "foo") --> (expand-file-name "foo" "/dir/name/") Date: 17 Oct 2000 09:36:15 +1100 Organization: Not today, thank you, Mother. Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: <87og0kwh0g.fsf@inanna.osa.com.au> References: <200010161812.TAA25555@djlvig.dl.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035169083 22224 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 02:58:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 02:58:03 +0000 (UTC) Keywords: handlers Return-Path: Original-Received: from spinoza.math.uh.edu (spinoza.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.18]) by mailhost.sclp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20CF2D051E for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:38:03 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by spinoza.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAB10243; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:37:52 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:36:22 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from mailhost.sclp.com (postfix@66-209.196.61.interliant.com [209.196.61.66] (may be forged)) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13038 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:36:10 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from fw01.osa.com.au (fw01.osa.com.au [203.6.130.130]) by mailhost.sclp.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 8CBCDD051E for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: (qmail 19184 invoked by uid 0); 16 Oct 2000 22:36:28 -0000 Original-Received: (ofmipd 172.16.33.89); 16 Oct 2000 22:36:06 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 5414 invoked by uid 4005); 16 Oct 2000 22:36:28 -0000 Original-Received: from daniel@rimspace.net by excalibur.osa.com.au with qmail-scanner-0.90 (. Clean. Processed in 0.233795 secs); 17/10/2000 09:36:27 Original-Received: from inanna.osa.com.au (HELO inanna.danann.net) (172.16.33.101) by excalibur.osa.com.au with SMTP; 16 Oct 2000 22:36:26 -0000 Original-Received: by inanna.danann.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E91F182040; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:36:16 +1100 (EST) Original-To: ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: prj@po.cwru.edu's message of "16 Oct 2000 16:39:25 -0400" X-Homepage: http://danann.net/ X-spies: ammunition Marxist Semtex Kibo Croatian DES David John Oates BATF AK-47 Vince Foster supercomputer assassination SEAL Team 6 World Trade Center munitions Original-Lines: 29 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.2 (Notus) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:32874 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:32874 On 16 Oct 2000, Paul Jarc wrote: > Dave Love writes: [...] >> but even if it's generally true in the absence of handlers -- I >> don't know -- I don't think you can say what a random handler might >> do, e.g. for remote files on an arbitrary system. > > expand-file-name, file-name-as-directory and directory-file-name are > just string operations. Handlers aren't involved until I/O is > attempted, AFAIK. No, they are not. At least, they are not under XEmacs 20.4, 21.1 and 21.2 and, unless I am very much mistakes, Emacs in any of it's recent incarnations. Heck, I believe that TRAMP (a remote file access mechanism) runs under Emacs 19 and I /know/ that it fails to do the right thing without handlers being invoked for `file-name-as-directory'. Daniel -- Of course I lie to people. But I lie altruistically - for our mutual good. The lie is the basic building block of good manners. That may seem mildly shocking to a moralist - but then what isn't? -- Quentin Crisp