* Gnus version recent enough ? @ 2022-05-04 13:15 Erik Colson 2022-05-04 13:18 ` Robert Pluim 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Erik Colson @ 2022-05-04 13:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Hi, Iam using gnus v5.13 which came with my emacs 29.0.50. Is this recent enough or should I use something from a git repo somewhere? thx -- erik colson ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: Gnus version recent enough ? 2022-05-04 13:15 Gnus version recent enough ? Erik Colson @ 2022-05-04 13:18 ` Robert Pluim 2022-05-04 13:31 ` Erik Colson 2022-05-04 14:16 ` Sam Steingold 0 siblings, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Robert Pluim @ 2022-05-04 13:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Erik Colson; +Cc: ding >>>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 15:15:04 +0200, Erik Colson <eco@ecocode.net> said: Erik> Hi, Erik> Iam using gnus v5.13 which came with my emacs 29.0.50. Erik> Is this recent enough or should I use something from a git repo Erik> somewhere? Gnus is developed inside the emacs git repo these days, so you have the latest version already. Robert -- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: Gnus version recent enough ? 2022-05-04 13:18 ` Robert Pluim @ 2022-05-04 13:31 ` Erik Colson 2022-05-04 14:16 ` Sam Steingold 1 sibling, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Erik Colson @ 2022-05-04 13:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Robert Pluim; +Cc: ding Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com> writes: > Gnus is developed inside the emacs git repo these days, so you have > the latest version already. Great thx ! -- erik colson ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: Gnus version recent enough ? 2022-05-04 13:18 ` Robert Pluim 2022-05-04 13:31 ` Erik Colson @ 2022-05-04 14:16 ` Sam Steingold 2022-05-04 14:28 ` Robert Pluim 1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Sam Steingold @ 2022-05-04 14:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding, Robert Pluim > * Robert Pluim <ecyhvz@tznvy.pbz> [2022-05-04 15:18:35 +0200]: > >>>>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 15:15:04 +0200, Erik Colson <eco@ecocode.net> said: > > Erik> Iam using gnus v5.13 which came with my emacs 29.0.50. > Erik> Is this recent enough or should I use something from a git repo > Erik> somewhere? > > Gnus is developed inside the emacs git repo these days, so you have > the latest version already. It might make sense to reflect that in the gnus-version, e.g., --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- diff --git a/lisp/gnus/gnus.el b/lisp/gnus/gnus.el index 1f673771fa..99938f7013 100644 --- a/lisp/gnus/gnus.el +++ b/lisp/gnus/gnus.el @@ -299,7 +299,8 @@ gnus-dbus (defconst gnus-version-number "5.13" "Version number for this version of Gnus.") -(defconst gnus-version (format "Gnus v%s" gnus-version-number) +(defconst gnus-version + (format "Gnus v%s (part of Emacs %s)" gnus-version-number emacs-version) "Version string for this version of Gnus.") (defcustom gnus-inhibit-startup-message nil --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- -- Sam Steingold (http://sds.podval.org/) on darwin Ns 10.3.2113 http://childpsy.net http://calmchildstories.com http://steingoldpsychology.com https://www.peaceandtolerance.org/ http://think-israel.org https://ij.org/ Software is like sex: it's better when it's free. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: Gnus version recent enough ? 2022-05-04 14:16 ` Sam Steingold @ 2022-05-04 14:28 ` Robert Pluim 2022-05-04 15:22 ` Eric S Fraga 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Robert Pluim @ 2022-05-04 14:28 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding; +Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen, Sam Steingold >>>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 10:16:22 -0400, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> said: >> * Robert Pluim <ecyhvz@tznvy.pbz> [2022-05-04 15:18:35 +0200]: >> >>>>>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 15:15:04 +0200, Erik Colson <eco@ecocode.net> said: >> Erik> Iam using gnus v5.13 which came with my emacs 29.0.50. Erik> Is this recent enough or should I use something from a git repo Erik> somewhere? >> >> Gnus is developed inside the emacs git repo these days, so you have >> the latest version already. Sam> It might make sense to reflect that in the gnus-version, e.g., Sam> diff --git a/lisp/gnus/gnus.el b/lisp/gnus/gnus.el Sam> index 1f673771fa..99938f7013 100644 Sam> --- a/lisp/gnus/gnus.el Sam> +++ b/lisp/gnus/gnus.el Sam> @@ -299,7 +299,8 @@ gnus-dbus Sam> (defconst gnus-version-number "5.13" Sam> "Version number for this version of Gnus.") Sam> -(defconst gnus-version (format "Gnus v%s" gnus-version-number) Sam> +(defconst gnus-version Sam> + (format "Gnus v%s (part of Emacs %s)" gnus-version-number emacs-version) Sam> "Version string for this version of Gnus.") Sam> (defcustom gnus-inhibit-startup-message nil Thatʼs one option, or we could just bump the gnus version everytime Emacs is released. Lars? Robert -- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: Gnus version recent enough ? 2022-05-04 14:28 ` Robert Pluim @ 2022-05-04 15:22 ` Eric S Fraga 2022-05-04 16:03 ` Adam Sjøgren ` (3 more replies) 0 siblings, 4 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Eric S Fraga @ 2022-05-04 15:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding On Wednesday, 4 May 2022 at 16:28, Robert Pluim wrote: > Thatʼs one option, or we could just bump the gnus version everytime > Emacs is released. Lars? If gnus is now part of Emacs, and its development and release coincide with Emacs's own, should it actually have a version number at all? -- Eric S Fraga with org 9.5.3 in Emacs 29.0.50 on Debian 11.3 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: Gnus version recent enough ? 2022-05-04 15:22 ` Eric S Fraga @ 2022-05-04 16:03 ` Adam Sjøgren 2022-05-04 17:54 ` Eric S Fraga 2022-05-04 19:11 ` Sam Steingold ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Adam Sjøgren @ 2022-05-04 16:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Eric writes: > If gnus is now part of Emacs, I think it has been almost from the beginning: | The first "proper" release of Gnus 5 was done in November 1995 when it | was included in the Emacs 19.30 distribution · https://www.gnus.org/history.html In 2016 the development moved from it's own repository into Emacs' repository - see the thread "Moving Gnus development to Emacs?" from the end of 2015: · https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-12/msg01511.html · https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2016-01/msg00088.html And: · https://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/2016/01/01/its-about-ethics-in-gnus-development/ > and its development and release coincide with Emacs's own, should it > actually have a version number at all? The version number hasn't reflected much since the independent repository was closed. Maybe add another digit for each Emacs release? 5.1333333. :-), Adam -- "Happiness isn't good enough for me! I demand Adam Sjøgren euphoria!" asjo@koldfront.dk ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: Gnus version recent enough ? 2022-05-04 16:03 ` Adam Sjøgren @ 2022-05-04 17:54 ` Eric S Fraga 0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Eric S Fraga @ 2022-05-04 17:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Hi Adam, yes, thanks; I know the history. My point was simply that, as the development of gnus is now *within* the Emacs repository, a distinct version number makes no sense any longer. Versions of gnus are "released" when new versions of Emacs are released. But it's not as if it matters a whole lot. ;-) -- Eric S Fraga with org 9.5.3 in Emacs 29.0.50 on Debian 11.3 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: Gnus version recent enough ? 2022-05-04 15:22 ` Eric S Fraga 2022-05-04 16:03 ` Adam Sjøgren @ 2022-05-04 19:11 ` Sam Steingold 2022-05-04 19:20 ` Emanuel Berg 2022-05-05 4:19 ` Pankaj Jangid 2022-05-05 14:20 ` Sivaram Neelakantan 3 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Sam Steingold @ 2022-05-04 19:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding, Eric S Fraga > * Eric S Fraga <r.sentn@hpy.np.hx> [2022-05-04 16:22:17 +0100]: > > On Wednesday, 4 May 2022 at 16:28, Robert Pluim wrote: >> Thatʼs one option, or we could just bump the gnus version everytime >> Emacs is released. Lars? > > If gnus is now part of Emacs, and its development and release coincide > with Emacs's own, should it actually have a version number at all? That's even better. -- Sam Steingold (http://sds.podval.org/) on darwin Ns 10.3.2113 http://childpsy.net http://calmchildstories.com http://steingoldpsychology.com https://jij.org https://ij.org/ https://www.memritv.org If you're constantly being mistreated, you're cooperating with the treatment. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: Gnus version recent enough ? 2022-05-04 19:11 ` Sam Steingold @ 2022-05-04 19:20 ` Emanuel Berg 2022-05-05 8:03 ` Eric S Fraga 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2022-05-04 19:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Sam Steingold wrote: >> If gnus is now part of Emacs, and its development and >> release coincide with Emacs's own, should it actually have >> a version number at all? > > That's even better. Uhm, it's "now" part of Emacs, did that happen recently? The GNU Emacs Gnus Network User Services are from 1995 ... https://dataswamp.org/~incal/COMP-HIST -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: Gnus version recent enough ? 2022-05-04 19:20 ` Emanuel Berg @ 2022-05-05 8:03 ` Eric S Fraga 0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Eric S Fraga @ 2022-05-05 8:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding On Wednesday, 4 May 2022 at 21:20, Emanuel Berg wrote: > Uhm, it's "now" part of Emacs, did that happen recently? As in now developed in the same repository... -- Eric S Fraga with org 9.5.2 in Emacs 29.0.50 on Debian 11.2 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: Gnus version recent enough ? 2022-05-04 15:22 ` Eric S Fraga 2022-05-04 16:03 ` Adam Sjøgren 2022-05-04 19:11 ` Sam Steingold @ 2022-05-05 4:19 ` Pankaj Jangid 2022-05-05 15:59 ` Andreas Schwab 2022-05-05 14:20 ` Sivaram Neelakantan 3 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Pankaj Jangid @ 2022-05-05 4:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes: >> Thatʼs one option, or we could just bump the gnus version everytime >> Emacs is released. Lars? > > If gnus is now part of Emacs, and its development and release coincide > with Emacs's own, should it actually have a version number at all? I think, gnus-version make sense only for the backward compatibility. Some scripts might be using its output. And we can begin removing it by deprecating it. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: Gnus version recent enough ? 2022-05-05 4:19 ` Pankaj Jangid @ 2022-05-05 15:59 ` Andreas Schwab 2022-05-05 17:18 ` Sam Steingold 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Andreas Schwab @ 2022-05-05 15:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Pankaj Jangid; +Cc: ding On Mai 05 2022, Pankaj Jangid wrote: > I think, gnus-version make sense only for the backward compatibility. It's part of the User-Agent, for example. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 7578 EB47 D4E5 4D69 2510 2552 DF73 E780 A9DA AEC1 "And now for something completely different." ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: Gnus version recent enough ? 2022-05-05 15:59 ` Andreas Schwab @ 2022-05-05 17:18 ` Sam Steingold 2022-05-06 3:11 ` Pankaj Jangid 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Sam Steingold @ 2022-05-05 17:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding, Andreas Schwab > * Andreas Schwab <fpujno@yvahk-z68x.bet> [2022-05-05 17:59:01 +0200]: > > On Mai 05 2022, Pankaj Jangid wrote: > >> I think, gnus-version make sense only for the backward compatibility. > > It's part of the User-Agent, for example. which should be something like (format "Emacs/Gnus %s" emacs-version) which is more informative than gnus-version (that has not changed in decades). -- Sam Steingold (http://sds.podval.org/) on darwin Ns 10.3.2113 http://childpsy.net http://calmchildstories.com http://steingoldpsychology.com https://thereligionofpeace.com https://jij.org Don't ascribe to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: Gnus version recent enough ? 2022-05-05 17:18 ` Sam Steingold @ 2022-05-06 3:11 ` Pankaj Jangid 0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Pankaj Jangid @ 2022-05-06 3:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes: >>> I think, gnus-version make sense only for the backward compatibility. >> >> It's part of the User-Agent, for example. > > which should be something like > > (format "Emacs/Gnus %s" emacs-version) > This is much better. Or may be something like, (format "Gnus (Emacs %s)" emacs-version) This is just to clarify that the version string belongs to Emacs. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: Gnus version recent enough ? 2022-05-04 15:22 ` Eric S Fraga ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2022-05-05 4:19 ` Pankaj Jangid @ 2022-05-05 14:20 ` Sivaram Neelakantan 3 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Sivaram Neelakantan @ 2022-05-05 14:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding On Wed, May 04 2022,Eric S Fraga wrote: > On Wednesday, 4 May 2022 at 16:28, Robert Pluim wrote: >> Thatʼs one option, or we could just bump the gnus version everytime >> Emacs is released. Lars? > > If gnus is now part of Emacs, and its development and release coincide > with Emacs's own, should it actually have a version number at all? Good point. I second this, it should be dropped to prevent any confusion over what version is packaged with what emacs release. sivaram -- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
end of thread, other threads:[~2022-05-06 3:12 UTC | newest] Thread overview: 16+ messages (download: mbox.gz / follow: Atom feed) -- links below jump to the message on this page -- 2022-05-04 13:15 Gnus version recent enough ? Erik Colson 2022-05-04 13:18 ` Robert Pluim 2022-05-04 13:31 ` Erik Colson 2022-05-04 14:16 ` Sam Steingold 2022-05-04 14:28 ` Robert Pluim 2022-05-04 15:22 ` Eric S Fraga 2022-05-04 16:03 ` Adam Sjøgren 2022-05-04 17:54 ` Eric S Fraga 2022-05-04 19:11 ` Sam Steingold 2022-05-04 19:20 ` Emanuel Berg 2022-05-05 8:03 ` Eric S Fraga 2022-05-05 4:19 ` Pankaj Jangid 2022-05-05 15:59 ` Andreas Schwab 2022-05-05 17:18 ` Sam Steingold 2022-05-06 3:11 ` Pankaj Jangid 2022-05-05 14:20 ` Sivaram Neelakantan
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox; as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).