* gnus-search configuration example for notmuch @ 2022-03-21 16:10 Julien Cubizolles 2022-03-21 23:33 ` Eric Abrahamsen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Julien Cubizolles @ 2022-03-21 16:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding I can't get gnus-search to use notmuch as its search engine for a maildir synced by offlineimap. Every search with G-G returns > Group nnselect:nnselect-87ee2vomnz.fsf contains no messages whereas both a search with gnus-search-imap and with notmuch-search return many messages. The relevant parts of my conf are: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- (setq gnus-search-default-engines '((nnimap . gnus-search-notmuch) (nnselect . gnus-search-nnselect) (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods '( (nnimap "FreeOffline" (nnimap-stream shell) (nnimap-shell-program "/usr/lib/dovecot/imap -o mail_location=maildir:$HOME/email/Maildir/Free:LAYOUT=fs") (nnimap-split-methods default) (nnimap-inbox "INBOX") (gnus-search-notmuch-remove-prefix "/home/wilk/email/Maildir/Free/") ) )) --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- I think the remove-prefix is fine since this is an example of (notmuch-show-get-filename) > "/home/wilk/email/Maildir/Free/Sent/cur/1645551545.M308782P83819.sadhill,S=61554,W=62426:2,S" Could a kind soul please display his or her configuration to give me some pointers ? Also is there some way to run some sanity checks ? I've looked at gnus-search-tests.el and it doesn't seem to check the search engines. -- Julien Cubizolles ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: gnus-search configuration example for notmuch 2022-03-21 16:10 gnus-search configuration example for notmuch Julien Cubizolles @ 2022-03-21 23:33 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2022-03-22 8:16 ` Julien Cubizolles 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2022-03-21 23:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Julien Cubizolles <j.cubizolles@free.fr> writes: > I can't get gnus-search to use notmuch as its search engine for a > maildir synced by offlineimap. Every search with G-G returns Hi! It's not possible to use notmuch to index an nnimap server. notmuch returns its search results as filenames, and nnimap needs its search results as message ids. If you turn on full-text indexing in dovecot, you can just use the default imap search engine, right? Eric ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: gnus-search configuration example for notmuch 2022-03-21 23:33 ` Eric Abrahamsen @ 2022-03-22 8:16 ` Julien Cubizolles 2022-03-22 9:58 ` Adam Sjøgren 2022-03-22 15:11 ` Eric Abrahamsen 0 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Julien Cubizolles @ 2022-03-22 8:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes: > Julien Cubizolles <j.cubizolles@free.fr> writes: > >> I can't get gnus-search to use notmuch as its search engine for a >> maildir synced by offlineimap. Every search with G-G returns > > Hi! > > It's not possible to use notmuch to index an nnimap server. notmuch > returns its search results as filenames, and nnimap needs its search > results as message ids. Thank you, it all makes sense now. Maybe that's also why it doesn't work on nnml and nndraft either. What backend can you use gnus-search-notmuch with then ? And what search engines should you use with nnml and nndraft ? Am I right in assuming that with the right gnus-search-engines set up gnus-search could search through all backends and return the matching messages in a single nnselect group ? > If you turn on full-text indexing in dovecot, you can just use the > default imap search engine, right? gnus-search-imap is indeed working fine. -- Julien Cubizolles ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: gnus-search configuration example for notmuch 2022-03-22 8:16 ` Julien Cubizolles @ 2022-03-22 9:58 ` Adam Sjøgren 2022-03-22 10:28 ` Eric S Fraga 2022-03-22 11:31 ` Julien Cubizolles 2022-03-22 15:11 ` Eric Abrahamsen 1 sibling, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Adam Sjøgren @ 2022-03-22 9:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Julien writes: > What backend can you use gnus-search-notmuch with then ? And what search > engines should you use with nnml and nndraft ? I'm using notmuch with nnml - in gnus-secondary-select-methods I have: '(nnml "" (gnus-search-engine gnus-search-notmuch)) To search I put point on an nnml:-group and press G G. To update the notmuch index I have: (defun asjo-notmuch-new () "Run notmuch new" (start-process "notmuch" "*Notmuch*" "notmuch" "new")) (add-hook 'gnus-after-getting-new-news-hook 'asjo-notmuch-new) (add-hook 'gnus-started-hook 'asjo-notmuch-new) Best regards, Adam -- "Here we are again Adam Sjøgren Waiting for the end" asjo@koldfront.dk ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: gnus-search configuration example for notmuch 2022-03-22 9:58 ` Adam Sjøgren @ 2022-03-22 10:28 ` Eric S Fraga 2022-03-22 11:31 ` Julien Cubizolles 1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Eric S Fraga @ 2022-03-22 10:28 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding And I also use notmuch for nnml. Works very well. My configuration differs slightly from Adam's in that I use crontab (externally to Emacs) to keep my notmuch database updated. -- Eric S Fraga with org 9.5.2 in Emacs 29.0.50 on Debian 11.2 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: gnus-search configuration example for notmuch 2022-03-22 9:58 ` Adam Sjøgren 2022-03-22 10:28 ` Eric S Fraga @ 2022-03-22 11:31 ` Julien Cubizolles 1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Julien Cubizolles @ 2022-03-22 11:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Adam Sjøgren <asjo@koldfront.dk> writes: > Julien writes: > >> What backend can you use gnus-search-notmuch with then ? And what search >> engines should you use with nnml and nndraft ? > > I'm using notmuch with nnml - in gnus-secondary-select-methods I have: > > '(nnml "" > (gnus-search-engine gnus-search-notmuch)) > > To search I put point on an nnml:-group and press G G. I had a typo in my nnml configuration : it's now working. Thanks for your help. -- Julien Cubizolles ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: gnus-search configuration example for notmuch 2022-03-22 8:16 ` Julien Cubizolles 2022-03-22 9:58 ` Adam Sjøgren @ 2022-03-22 15:11 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2022-03-22 20:22 ` Dan Christensen 1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2022-03-22 15:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Julien Cubizolles <j.cubizolles@free.fr> writes: > Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes: > >> Julien Cubizolles <j.cubizolles@free.fr> writes: >> >>> I can't get gnus-search to use notmuch as its search engine for a >>> maildir synced by offlineimap. Every search with G-G returns >> >> Hi! >> >> It's not possible to use notmuch to index an nnimap server. notmuch >> returns its search results as filenames, and nnimap needs its search >> results as message ids. > > Thank you, it all makes sense now. Maybe that's also why it doesn't work > on nnml and nndraft either. > > What backend can you use gnus-search-notmuch with then ? And what search > engines should you use with nnml and nndraft ? Am I right in assuming > that with the right gnus-search-engines set up gnus-search could search > through all backends and return the matching messages in a single > nnselect group ? To add to what everyone else has said: most of the mail backends (nnml, nnmaildir, etc) keep their messages as files on the file system, so any search engine that indexes files and gives you full filenames back as search results (including notmuch, namazu, mairix) will work with them. It's really nnimap that is a special case, as you're not supposed to know or care where/how it stores its messages, and instead use the client/server interface. And yes, the whole point of gnus-search and nnselect is that you can search any number of groups and servers, using a single search query and getting the results in a single group. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: gnus-search configuration example for notmuch 2022-03-22 15:11 ` Eric Abrahamsen @ 2022-03-22 20:22 ` Dan Christensen 2022-03-23 16:37 ` Eric Abrahamsen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Dan Christensen @ 2022-03-22 20:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding On Mar 22, 2022, Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> wrote: > To add to what everyone else has said: most of the mail backends (nnml, > nnmaildir, etc) keep their messages as files on the file system, so any > search engine that indexes files and gives you full filenames back as > search results (including notmuch, namazu, mairix) will work with them. > It's really nnimap that is a special case, as you're not supposed to > know or care where/how it stores its messages, and instead use the > client/server interface. I guess nnfolder is also a special case? My mail is currently split between nnfolder and nnimap (using dovecot), and my current search engine is mairix, which can provide its results as a folder full of files each containing a single message. Right now I use nnmairix to view my search results, but it is a bit buggy and doesn't have some features than gnus-search and nnselect seem to have, so I wouldn't mind switching. But since I'm pretty familiar with the mairix search syntax, I'd like to keep using mairix. Is this not possible? Dan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: gnus-search configuration example for notmuch 2022-03-22 20:22 ` Dan Christensen @ 2022-03-23 16:37 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2022-03-23 17:03 ` Dan Christensen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2022-03-23 16:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Dan Christensen <jdc@uwo.ca> writes: > On Mar 22, 2022, Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> wrote: > >> To add to what everyone else has said: most of the mail backends (nnml, >> nnmaildir, etc) keep their messages as files on the file system, so any >> search engine that indexes files and gives you full filenames back as >> search results (including notmuch, namazu, mairix) will work with them. >> It's really nnimap that is a special case, as you're not supposed to >> know or care where/how it stores its messages, and instead use the >> client/server interface. > > I guess nnfolder is also a special case? My mail is currently split > between nnfolder and nnimap (using dovecot), and my current search > engine is mairix, which can provide its results as a folder full of > files each containing a single message. Right now I use nnmairix to > view my search results, but it is a bit buggy and doesn't have some > features than gnus-search and nnselect seem to have, so I wouldn't > mind switching. But since I'm pretty familiar with the mairix search > syntax, I'd like to keep using mairix. Is this not possible? I don't think nnfolder is a special case: as long as both the Gnus backend and the search engine deal in absolute file paths, they should be able to talk to one another. If something special needs to be done to translate mairix search results into something that nnfolder can understand, I'd like to know about that and implement it. You can certainly continue to use mairix. nnmairix creates its own search groups and populates them; mairix with gnus-search just returns a list of file paths. If you like using mairix's search syntax, but want to use the gnus-search syntax for nnimap, you can first set: (setq gnus-search-use-parsed-queries t) To parse queries by default, then use _unparsed_ queries for mairix through one of a few approaches: 1. (setq gnus-search-mairix-raw-queries-p t): all queries against a mairix search engine will be unparsed. 2. Add (raw-queries-p t) to the config for one specific mairix search engine 3. Give a C-u prefix to the "G G" search command, for one single search Note that any of these options mean you won't be able to issue a single search against multiple groups belonging to nnfolder and nnimap at the same time; you'll have to use separate searches. HTH, Eric ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: gnus-search configuration example for notmuch 2022-03-23 16:37 ` Eric Abrahamsen @ 2022-03-23 17:03 ` Dan Christensen 2022-03-23 19:19 ` Eric Abrahamsen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Dan Christensen @ 2022-03-23 17:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding On Mar 23, 2022, Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> wrote: > Dan Christensen <jdc@uwo.ca> writes: > >> On Mar 22, 2022, Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> wrote: >> >>> To add to what everyone else has said: most of the mail backends (nnml, >>> nnmaildir, etc) keep their messages as files on the file system, so any >>> search engine that indexes files and gives you full filenames back as >>> search results (including notmuch, namazu, mairix) will work with them. >>> It's really nnimap that is a special case >> >> I guess nnfolder is also a special case? > > I don't think nnfolder is a special case: as long as both the Gnus > backend and the search engine deal in absolute file paths, they should > be able to talk to one another. If something special needs to be done to > translate mairix search results into something that nnfolder can > understand, I'd like to know about that and implement it. With nnfolder, each file contains an entire group's worth of messages. So how can it work if mairix provides just a list of full filenames? Dan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: gnus-search configuration example for notmuch 2022-03-23 17:03 ` Dan Christensen @ 2022-03-23 19:19 ` Eric Abrahamsen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2022-03-23 19:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Dan Christensen <jdc@uwo.ca> writes: > On Mar 23, 2022, Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> wrote: > >> Dan Christensen <jdc@uwo.ca> writes: >> >>> On Mar 22, 2022, Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> wrote: >>> >>>> To add to what everyone else has said: most of the mail backends (nnml, >>>> nnmaildir, etc) keep their messages as files on the file system, so any >>>> search engine that indexes files and gives you full filenames back as >>>> search results (including notmuch, namazu, mairix) will work with them. >>>> It's really nnimap that is a special case >>> >>> I guess nnfolder is also a special case? >> >> I don't think nnfolder is a special case: as long as both the Gnus >> backend and the search engine deal in absolute file paths, they should >> be able to talk to one another. If something special needs to be done to >> translate mairix search results into something that nnfolder can >> understand, I'd like to know about that and implement it. > > With nnfolder, each file contains an entire group's worth of messages. > So how can it work if mairix provides just a list of full filenames? It won't! Unless mairix can provide a matching line number, or some other indication of where in the file the match is, we won't be able to find the matching message. I can't think of any simple way around the problem. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
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