From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: (qmail 32133 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2020 17:47:36 -0000 Received: from lists1.math.uh.edu (129.7.128.208) by inbox.vuxu.org with UTF8ESMTPZ; 7 Apr 2020 17:47:36 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by lists1.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.92.3) (envelope-from ) id 1jLsJR-0007AN-1t; Tue, 07 Apr 2020 12:47:01 -0500 Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by lists1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92.3) (envelope-from ) id 1jLsJM-00077Y-PY for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 07 Apr 2020 12:46:56 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92.3) (envelope-from ) id 1jLsJK-0004ST-1P for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 07 Apr 2020 12:46:56 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References :Message-ID:Date:Subject:From:To:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=MGhJYmzqjrh8jGQQHRRO19QA936TG4pJ4AUDs8jmAYQ=; b=gW01x+lZIQnUGUaCxyduT6khJP fiY++jaItAeItlYQIG67gpBSGoFFBQTHjx6C+IE9yQVNUWsWZyOuOdztzOQorRkWSvEXrLhNdlraT IMPgnFQcP6QcZO56fBC3eia9rRBebedwdn+829b9m5T1zY2dySPdLEYCPnZDH5wAnebo=; Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([159.69.161.202]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jLsJD-0007bI-6t for ding@gnus.org; Tue, 07 Apr 2020 19:46:49 +0200 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jLsJC-0008t2-OI for ding@gnus.org; Tue, 07 Apr 2020 19:46:46 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: ding@gnus.org From: Alberto Luaces Subject: Re: gmail setup Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2020 19:46:40 +0200 Message-ID: <87pncjur27.fsf@eps142.cdf.udc.es> References: <87blo7tj5l.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87zhbr47z3.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <87ftdjrsdm.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87tv1y6pfh.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <875zedoo19.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87ftdhx29r.fsf@tullinup.koldfront.dk> <87k12tipzw.fsf@dick> <87tv1wvrv0.fsf_-_@eps142.cdf.udc.es> <87pncjgsdd.fsf@dick> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:GkSGP1ocePT05g0vCbR5Xd868Jk= List-ID: Precedence: bulk dick.r.chiang writes: > AL> mu4e and notmuch do not have to interact at all with gmail's IMAP — that > AL> is a task for offlineimap or mbsync > > True, and having looked again at Google's lead results for "notmuch gmail" and > "mu4e gmail," perhaps I've given those competing packages too much credit. > Their documentation also seem community-driven and ad hoc, but at least there's > a consensus about the general approach. > "community-driven"? Of course! Since they apply to specific quirks of gmail. If I recall correctly, the non-community-driven manual of mu4e has an appendix for gmail configuration, but that's a courtesy. > > With Gnus, there's nnimap, nnmaildir, and nnmail, all > three of which have been perennially criticized for slowness, and which our > lead Google result (a github page called "A Practical Guide to Gnus") > completely glosses over. Those who manage to get that far are then repeatedly > asked "How many articles from INBOX?" whenever > they access an inbox with more than 200 messages (the key of course is to set > gnus-large-newsgroup to a bigger number). Correction: more than 200 *unread* messages. And that is a cure for that slowness you mention, since you are not loading messages that you are not likely wanting to see. When I subscribe to an nntp group with a huge number of archives, I usually answer "50" or so to quickly glance over the latest messages, and then "c" to catch-up and mark all of them as read, so the next time I enter the group only new, unread messages are displayed. > Add to that all the nontrivial elisp to get gnus to look reasonable > (gnus-demon, posting styles, notifications, select methods), and it's > no wonder 9 out of 10 emacsers looking to integrate their mail choose > mu4e and notmuch (my 9/10 statistic is completely without evidence). Not really needed, as long as your configuration is not somewhat complex. I have managed in the past to use gnus without writing any configuration myself — just creating an nnimap server with "e" from the server window and filling the parameters needed when sending (remember that the default is `smtpmail-query-smtp-server' which makes the questions at the first time). -- Alberto