From: Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.net>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org, ding@gnus.org, sxemacs-devel@sxemacs.org
Subject: Re: Moving Gnus development to Emacs
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 15:15:41 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87poxovug2.fsf@violet.siamics.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <microsoft-free.877fjw0zwp.fsf@steveyoungs.com> (Steve Youngs's message of "Thu, 31 Dec 2015 00:33:26 +1000")
>>>>> Steve Youngs <steve@sxemacs.org> writes:
>>>>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
[…]
> The advantage/benefits I see to having the Gnus code base reside
> outside of Emacs is that (S)XEmacs Gnus hackers don't need to have a
> copy of Emacs checked out just to hack Gnus. And I'm sure that there
> are plenty who'd like to hack/use dev Gnus from stable Emacs.
The converse is also true: moving Gnus into a separate Git
submodule would allow those of the Emacs developers not
interested in Gnus /not/ to check it out. And while I’m not in
that group, there’re several large Emacs packages which I’d
find convenient /not/ to have in the checkouts I work with.
Sadly, there seem to be a general consensus among the GNU
developers to avoid any use whatsoever of Git submodules.
The issues with this approach include the impossibility for a
single commit to span several submodules; and I guess having the
tests run on the whole Emacs tree helps to weed out the changes
that should not be.
>> Emacs has developed rapidly during the last few years, and the
>> interfaces between Emacs, older versions of Emacs, and XEmacs are
>> growing more divergent. This means that basically any change we do
>> in Gnus fails to build on all build targets. And this, in turn,
>> means that any change we do in Gnus is 2x as much work as it should
>> be, and this leaves the code looking like an exercise in obfuscated
>> programming. Sometimes. :-)
> But this has nothing to do with _where_ the canonical source repo is,
> and everything to do with _which_ emacsen you want to support.
Yes.
[…]
>> That would mean removing basically all compat code.
> OK, from where I sit, this would totally suck. :-( And anyone not
> wanting to use dev Emacs would just have to put it all back in.
Given that two concurent branches of Emacs are generally
maintained (master and emacs-25 currently), there’s a fair
chance that the users of the latest point release will still be
entitled to try the latest Gnus – from the respective branch.
But yes, all the major features would likely only be available
for the ‘master’ (Gnus, Emacs) version.
> Any chance I could talk you out of it? Is there a compromise? Would
> it be possible/acceptable to leave in the existing compat code but
> not update it or use it for any new features from this point on? (I
> realise this wouldn't be possible every time)
Whatever this discussion will end on, I guess it’d still be
possible to move the compatibility code into the XEmacs Gnus
“port” and maintain it there.
[…]
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Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-12-30 11:43 Moving Gnus development to Emacs? Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
[not found] ` <mailman.1827.1451475821.29210.sxemacs-devel-sxemacs.org@lists.sxemacs.org>
2015-12-30 14:33 ` Moving Gnus development to Emacs Steve Youngs
2015-12-30 15:15 ` Ivan Shmakov [this message]
2016-01-01 19:21 ` Steinar Bang
2016-01-02 3:28 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-30 16:33 ` Moving Gnus development to Emacs? raman
2015-12-30 19:05 ` Jay Belanger
2015-12-30 19:25 ` Nikolaus Rath
2015-12-31 17:40 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-31 18:35 ` Benjamin Slade
2015-12-30 18:44 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-31 0:46 ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2015-12-31 13:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-31 9:18 ` Julien Danjou
2015-12-31 9:40 ` David Engster
2015-12-31 11:43 ` Michael Albinus
2015-12-31 12:29 ` CHENG Gao
2015-12-31 14:35 ` Xue Fuqiao
2015-12-31 14:52 ` CHENG Gao
2016-01-01 0:10 ` Xue Fuqiao
2016-01-01 7:02 ` CHENG Gao
2015-12-31 17:10 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-31 17:15 ` Adam Sjøgren
2016-01-02 17:39 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-02 20:31 ` Steinar Bang
2016-01-03 18:24 ` Bill Wohler
2016-01-04 0:48 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-04 1:05 ` John Wiegley
2016-01-04 3:47 ` Steve Youngs
2016-01-06 7:18 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-06 7:38 ` CHENG Gao
2016-01-06 8:50 ` Andreas Schwab
2016-01-25 15:07 ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-01-28 12:45 ` Greg Troxel
2015-12-31 10:15 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2015-12-31 17:43 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-01 21:43 ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2015-12-31 17:04 ` Uwe Brauer
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