From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/79078 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: jidanni@jidanni.org Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: utterly bogus "How many articles from ... (available ..., default ...)" Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 19:58:56 +0800 Message-ID: <87pqmi54e7.fsf@jidanni.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1307966574 11830 80.91.229.12 (13 Jun 2011 12:02:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 12:02:54 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M27377@lists.math.uh.edu Mon Jun 13 14:02:50 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QW5qz-00048r-8X for ding-account@gmane.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 14:02:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1QW5q0-0006nb-IK; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 07:01:48 -0500 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1QW5py-0006nK-6D for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 07:01:46 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1QW5pn-0007Rn-Gr for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 07:01:45 -0500 Original-Received: from mailbigip.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.5] helo=homiemail-a1.g.dreamhost.com) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QW5pl-0008Nd-BC for ding@gnus.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 14:01:33 +0200 Original-Received: from homiemail-a1.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a1.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6901334806E for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 05:01:31 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:subject :date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; q=dns; s=jidanni.org ; b=Gmalv6TXKbsFQCkEy4r8RZyWLWRcKpDScQJJtdK6oSABJHMhze8MGYtKpZWX G+98OU1hM3Bd2Jch/jPc3hVmaAsh1MoFGt41E3liaQiAsAvTN40u+n8dR9MKJfl4 y/tuI0cgQsngDdaQY2ukwP44wNqgAj+3EAhbhyCrP5QcLWs= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to :subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s= jidanni.org; bh=z/oEckQT/SdSJHN1MQI23ETFH+g=; b=otI8vlW15RxMetQP Cyo99B8I6r6Ovmo1uUuFSSIrOav4977odsRyQ1ZuM6x1nEcVIFJ9xrZ4YJ0rzViK xpWaPNiCBSZsvUU7OCgf30GR7E32HSi1oF7e59mrqxlrO6pdAZk/7So40Z3GbDhc cWBB3vIFNyj1hCtEp7cklMT7xr4= Original-Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-6-123.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.6.123]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by homiemail-a1.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B590134806B for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 05:01:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:79078 Archived-At: You know, this line How many articles from mail.debianbugs (available 388, default 200): is misleading. One sees it when about to enter a group in which all articles are already read. You see I often use E runs the command gnus-summary-mark-as-expirable, So in fact all that really are in that directory are $ ls -vx 9 22 27 28 30 31 37 46 81 90 93 96 123 135 181 216 217 218 253 254 258 276 300 302 356 357 394 395 396 Which agrees with the overview file. $ cut -f 1 .overview > /tmp/s $ ls -v|diff - /tmp/s $ Ha! 396 - 9 ~= 388. It just "never expected" there might be holes in the middle. It just assumes there aren't. It doesn't know, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQ57rtIv7kk&p=6E40919035151385 Another big problem is OK, given there are $ ls |wc -l 29 messages there, one might expect if I answer "29" when asked How many articles, that's what I'll get. However of course I only get 3. As there are only 3 articles actually there within the 29 latest supposed existing articles. If I really want to see all 29 articles, I had better type 396 when asked, or the easier to type 444, 555, etc. However the common person doesn't know that and his older articles now become inaccessible to him, even though there are there on the disk. So you gnus fellow have a lot of fixing to do. I bet you are using a newsgroup mentality carried over to groups where message removal is possible. By the way, here is my .newsrc.eld section, ("nnml:mail.debianbugs" 3 ((1 . 396)) ((seen (1 . 396)) (save 96 395) (expire (394 . 396)) (reply 28 31 81 90 93 123 181 (253 . 254) 258 276 302 (356 . 357) (394 . 395))) "nnml:" ((timestamp 19957 62151))) And the .marks file. ((expire 355 (358 . 396)) (reply 28 31 81 90 93 105 (114 . 118) (122 . 123) (131 . 132) 134 136 138 146 149 (153 . 154) 158 163 177 (181 . 186) (188 . 189) 191 195 198 (202 . 204) (224 . 225) 230 232 (244 . 246) (253 . 254) 258 276 302 340 344 (347 . 348) (350 . 351) (355 . 362) 368 371 374 383 (385 . 388) 391 (394 . 395)) (save 96 103 118 150 (196 . 197) 362 395) (read (1 . 347))) My configuration files are on http://jidanni.org/comp/configuration/ And rest assured I use very new gnus, emacs-snapshot: Installed: 1:20110608-1