From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/76743 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: auth-source.el and eieio Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:07:01 -0600 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87pqqupbpm.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87y65jqthf.fsf@gnus.org> <87tyg6skad.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87lj1isgsh.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87hbc65xdi.fsf@randomsample.de> <87pqquqyu7.fsf@lifelogs.com> <8762sm2wyb.fsf@gnus.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1297718120 23151 80.91.229.12 (14 Feb 2011 21:15:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 21:15:20 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M25082@lists.math.uh.edu Mon Feb 14 22:15:16 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pp5lL-0002pK-VX for ding-account@gmane.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 22:15:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Pp5lI-0003yY-9B; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:15:12 -0600 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Pp5lG-0003yD-Hx for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:15:10 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pp5lC-0005DM-EB for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:15:10 -0600 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pp5lB-0001cH-N9 for ding@gnus.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 22:15:05 +0100 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pp5lA-0002hr-VI for ding@gnus.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 22:15:04 +0100 Original-Received: from 38.98.147.130 ([38.98.147.130]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 22:15:04 +0100 Original-Received: from tzz by 38.98.147.130 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 22:15:04 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 48 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.98.147.130 X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6;d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:UUaAEQmHJodmM0w/r21aFrCj9GM= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:76743 Archived-At: On Mon, 14 Feb 2011 12:16:44 -0800 Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: LI> Ted Zlatanov writes: >> This is fine with me. I thought CEDET was only available as a tarball, >> that's why I suggested getting the whole thing. But I see it's >> available from Bazaar so it should be pretty easy to set up a sync to >> the Gnus repo. LI> I'm not familiar with the entire CEDET thing, but would it make sense to LI> include eieio.el in gnus/contrib for older Emacsen? Yes, but maybe gnus/lib/ instead. But see below. On Mon, 14 Feb 2011 21:45:31 +0100 Reiner Steib wrote: RS> IIUC, Gnus doesn't even compile with Emacs < 24. No, 23.1 or earlier currently (not intentionally, I thought EIEIO came in earlier). Considering 23.2 came out May 2010, it's not unreasonable to expect it in 2011. RS> Fiddling with files from contrib to get a working, compiled Gnus is RS> unacceptable, IMHO. There will be no fiddling. The gnus/lib/ directory (or whatever we call it) will be part of the Gnus installation and `configure' will DTRT. But again, this will affect those that a) want to run bleeding-edge Gnus, and b) don't want a recent Emacs. Is that a real problem that justifies all that work? We can just ask for Emacs 23.2 or newer. I really think that's reasonable considering that XEmacs also has EIEIO and reinventing the `defclass' wheel is both painful and time-consuming. There are many pieces of Gnus that could use EIEIO. spam.el, for instance, could easily model spam backends with defclass instead of hacked-up lists, and the code would be simpler. On Mon, 14 Feb 2011 21:44:05 +0100 David Engster wrote: DE> EIEIO is not just one file, more like 20. So I'd say just tell people DE> where to get it if they want/must use Emacs <=23.1. We could make an DE> ELPA-package or make it downloadable for el-get. I'll go with that if we decide to support Emacs 23.1 or older and the gnus/lib/ idea doesn't fly. Ted