Re: Position of point in reply-with-original

[Antoine Levitt <antoine.levitt@gmail.com>]

03/02/11 18:31, Adam Sjøgren
> On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 18:10:49 +0100, Antoine wrote:
>
>> There's message-cite-reply-above that does the trick, but is incredibly
>> condescending by
>
>> - insulting you for wanting the option in the first place in the
>>   docstring
>> - ignoring the setting in news posting
>> - asking you if you're really really sure when you post
>
> So, basically it is trying to tell you to not top-post, and helps you
> not to do so in newsgroups where it is frowned upon, right?

It doesn't seem to be frowned upon on all newsgroups, isn't in mail, and
presumably if the user has gone through all the trouble of setting the
variable, he knows what he's doing. The whole idea of having a variable,
and then making it useless by prompting you whenever you try to compose
a mail is just wrong.

>
>> It seems it's pretty standard use in mail, and almost all "modern"
>> clients (webmails, thunderbird, outlook and such) have this as
>> default.
>
> I just created an email-account in Thunderbird, and the default was
> "[x] Automatically quote the original message when replying", Then,
> "start my reply below the quote":
>
>  * http://koldfront.dk/misc/thunderbird/reply-default.png
>
> So it seems that Thunderbird (3.0.11) does not default to top posting.
>
> Note the box right below, where Thunderbird recommends putting the
> signature last if you choose to top-post (unlike Microsoft Outlook).

Sorry about that, it seems my example is wrong. All the webmails I've
seen do this by default, though.

>
>> I'm not trying to start a flamewar as to which one is better, but we
>> should give the users the option.
>
> Why?

I don't know, somehow I was under the impression that gnus was
customizable :)

>
> [...]
>> What do people think?
>
> I don't understand why you wouldn't want people to jump through hoops
> to do the - arguably - wrong thing? It is entirely possible to do so,
> but why make it easier?

Wow, I wasn't really expecting to get this kind of answer on the gnus
ML. I haven't given much thought as to the different posting styles, and
am not going to enter the debate. But I for one would like to post above
the cited text, at least in mail. In the current state of affairs, I
cannot do it without modifying gnus' source code.