From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/66333 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: jidanni@jidanni.org Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: thread sorting when no References Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 01:01:39 +0800 Message-ID: <87pruub3m4.fsf@jidanni.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1203354163 14760 80.91.229.12 (18 Feb 2008 17:02:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:02:43 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M14824@lists.math.uh.edu Mon Feb 18 18:03:06 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JR9OS-00082X-Oo for ding-account@gmane.org; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:03:04 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JR9NS-0003oD-6g; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:02:02 -0600 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JR9NQ-0003nr-Nm for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:02:00 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JR9NL-0006b3-1f for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:02:00 -0600 Original-Received: from lax-green-bigip-5.dreamhost.com ([208.113.200.5] helo=blingymail-a1.g.dreamhost.com) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1JR9NP-0007Gj-00 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:01:59 +0100 Original-Received: from jidanni1 (122-127-35-227.dynamic.hinet.net [122.127.35.227]) by blingymail-a1.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6D0C5D41E for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 09:01:48 -0800 (PST) X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:66333 Archived-At: Gentlemen, it is a ho hum day on say gmane.mail.spam.spamassassin.general O 3 080218 34||Agnello GeorgeN:spamassassin on VPS ( fedora 7 ) O 1 080218107||Michael ScheidN: O 1 080218 18||Matus UHLAR - N: ! 2 080218 83||comparity I:Bayes: What am I missing ! 1 080217 82||comparity I: O 4 080218 15||ItsMikeE I:"Nice girl like to chat" spam O 1 080218 37||ram I: O 2 080218 77||Chris I: OA 1 080218 54||ram I: But hark, there where I have marked the two messages from comparity, we see the older message (080217) is nested underneath the newer (080218). And so reveals a basic flaw of gnus: messages with the same subject but no interconnecting references will get listed out of order. The correct order should be the most inner thread has the most latest discussion. Here we see gnus tricks the user into clicking the older message! I didn't mess with the Gnus v5.11 defaults: $ wget -O - http://jidanni.org/comp/.gnus.el | grep sort|grep -v '^;'|wc -l 0