From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/55248 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Kai Grossjohann Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Spam.el tutorial Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:10:54 +0000 Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Message-ID: <87pteok281.fsf@emptyhost.emptydomain.de> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1071601882 31323 80.91.224.253 (16 Dec 2003 19:11:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:11:22 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ding-owner+M3788@lists.math.uh.edu Tue Dec 16 20:11:18 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AWKbF-00051T-00 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:11:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1AWKb9-0000AZ-00; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:11:11 -0600 Original-Received: from justine.libertine.org ([66.139.78.221] ident=postfix) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1AWKb5-0000AU-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:11:07 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org (quimby.gnus.org [80.91.224.244]) by justine.libertine.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D28FE3A0026 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:11:06 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from news by quimby.gnus.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AWKb4-0004f3-00 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:11:06 +0100 Original-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Path: not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnus.ding Original-Lines: 39 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 213-203-244-156.kunde.vdserver.de Original-X-Trace: quimby.gnus.org 1071601866 17920 213.203.244.156 (16 Dec 2003 19:11:06 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@quimby.gnus.org Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:11:06 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:0KqsMa0JKXmq+bJMoS5Srxgp5t0= Precedence: bulk Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:55248 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:55248 I like the idea about a tutorial. Instead of contributing my own setup (which tries to do the same as Reiner's but probably fails), I'd like to suggest some scenarios. * A user who wants to rely only on Emacs, with no external software, and doesn't trust statistics. I guess this means blacklists and whitelists, mostly. Maybe BBDB comes in, too. Maybe spam senders are blacklisted whereas ham senders are whitelisted. Not sure how BBDB comes in. Maybe somebody does it. * Like above but with statistics. So that means to use spam-stat.el. Does it make a difference whether one uses nnimap or another backend? Incoming spam is put into the nnchoke:spam group. Not sure whether it is useful to do spam training on those articles, suggest a setup. False negatives and false positives are sent to spam-stat.el; not sure whether they should go through nnchoke:makespam and nnchoke:makeham groups or not. Suggestions? * Like previous but use an external program for the statistics. Still do it all through Gnus. * Like previous, but filter incoming mail through the external program before Gnus sees it. (==> spam-use-foo-headers) I alluded to the problem of which groups to use and how many of them. I don't have the foggiest, really. The only reason I know what groups to use for my setup is that I have a server-side setup (similar to Reiner's) where it is clear that I must use the groups this setup uses. But I still don't know what to do with spam in NNTP groups. Kai