From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/44409 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Manoj Srivastava Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Autoloads no longer working? Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 04:57:14 -0500 Organization: The Golden Gryphon Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: <87pu0mu6it.fsf@glaurung.green-gryphon.com> References: <877kmvups8.fsf@glaurung.green-gryphon.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1019815148 15658 127.0.0.1 (26 Apr 2002 09:59:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:59:08 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 1712VP-00044Q-00 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:59:07 +0200 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1712Ur-0001y4-00; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 04:58:33 -0500 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Fri, 26 Apr 2002 04:58:45 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (qmailr@sclp3.sclp.com [209.196.61.66]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA10345 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 04:58:28 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: (qmail 19222 invoked by alias); 26 Apr 2002 09:58:11 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 19217 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2002 09:58:11 -0000 Original-Received: from 12-218-240-201.client.mchsi.com (HELO glaurung.green-gryphon.com) (srivasta@12.218.240.201) by gnus.org with SMTP; 26 Apr 2002 09:58:11 -0000 Original-Received: from glaurung.green-gryphon.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by glaurung.green-gryphon.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -5) with ESMTP id g3Q9vFAj004767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=OK) for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 04:57:16 -0500 Original-Received: (from srivasta@localhost) by glaurung.green-gryphon.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -5) id g3Q9vFvO004764; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 04:57:15 -0500 X-Mailer: emacs 21.2.1 (via feedmail 9-beta-7 I) Original-To: ding@gnus.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.090006 (Oort Gnus v0.06) Emacs/21.2 (i386-debian-linux-gnu) (i386-debian-linux-gnu) X-URL: http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/ Mail-Copies-To: nobody X-Time: Fri Apr 26 04:57:10 2002 X-Face: #q.#]5@vq!Jz+E0t_/;Y^gTjR\T^"B'fbeuVGiyKrvbfKJl!^e|e:iu(kJ6c|QYB57LP*|t &YlP~HF/=h:GA6o6W@I#deQL-%#.6]!z:6Cj0kd#4]>*D,|0djf'CVlXkI,>aV4\}?d_KEqsN{Nnt7 78"OsbQ["56/!nisvyB/uA5Q.{)gm6?q.j71ww.>b9b]-sG8zNt%KkIa>xWg&1VcjZk[hBQ>]j~`Wq Xl,y1a!(>6`UM{~'X[Y_,Bv+}=L\SS*mA8=s;!=O`ja|@PEzb&i0}Qp,`Z\:6:OmRi* In-Reply-To: (Andreas Fuchs's message of "Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:11:46 +0200") Original-Lines: 163 Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:44409 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:44409 >>"asf" == Andreas Fuchs writes: asf> Strange, in my emacs installation, there is a asf> /usr/share/emacs21/lisp/gnus directory, which even contains files. It asf> seems like gnus-start from there gets loaded. My emacs installation asf> looks like: There is something very wrong with your load-path, then. >> ii emacs21 21.2-1 The GNU Emacs editor. >> ii emacs21-el 21.2-1 GNU Emacs LISP (.el) files. Same here. asf> I agree in that this problem is not a simple one; but I do think this is asf> a debian issue (see my previous mail - when I suppress loading of the asf> user config file (I never touch my system-wide config), gnus features asf> are present). Yes, the built in Gnus is not suppressed. Perhaps we should compare load paths? As you can see, 1) first in my load path come stuff under /home: no gnus there 2) Next come directories in /usr/local/share/emacs/, and we do find Gnus there, in /usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/gnus-cvs/ <-- oort 3) Next in line are directories under /usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/, which contain add-on packages separate from emacs (no Gnus here) 4) Then come packages bundled with emacs (the Built in Gnus is present here, in /usr/share/emacs/21.2/lisp/gnus <-- 5.9.0 5) Finally, come the shared stand alone Gnus common source, (which is not compiled for emacs21) in /usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/gnus <-- 5.8.8 All my Gnus stuff comes from the second set of paths in my load path, namely /usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/gnus-cvs/ This is the reason why we have debian-pkg-add-load-path-item. Hmm. If your path matches mine, then (clutching at straws), I have /etc/emacs20/site-start.d/20gnus-init.el, but no corresponding file in /etc/emacs21/site-start.d/20gnus-init.el. Do you have that? If so, that is the source of the problem (it should have been removed for you, though). manoj ("/home/srivasta/lib/emacs/debian" "/home/srivasta/lib/emacs/x-support" "/home/srivasta/lib/emacs/modes" "/home/srivasta/lib/emacs/mail" "/home/srivasta/lib/emacs/lisp" "/home/srivasta/lib/emacs/bbdb" "/home/srivasta/lib/emacs/functions" "/home/srivasta/lib/emacs/config" "/home/srivasta/lib/emacs/emacs21" "/home/srivasta/lib/emacs" "/usr/local/share/emacs/21.2/site-lisp" "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp" "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/auctex" "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/bbdb-cvs" "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/functions" "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/gnus-cvs" "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/mailcrypt-cvs" "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/site-start.d" "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/url-cvs" "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/w3-cvs" "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/bbdb-cvs/bits" "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/bbdb-cvs/html" "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/bbdb-cvs/lisp" "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/bbdb-cvs/misc" "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/bbdb-cvs/tex" "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/bbdb-cvs/texinfo" "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/bbdb-cvs/utils" "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/gnus-cvs/contrib" "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/gnus-cvs/debian" "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/gnus-cvs/etc" "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/gnus-cvs/lisp" "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/gnus-cvs/texi" "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/url-cvs/lisp" "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/url-cvs/texi" "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/w3-cvs/contrib" "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/w3-cvs/etc" "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/w3-cvs/lisp" "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/w3-cvs/tests" "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/w3-cvs/texi" "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/bbdb-cvs/bits/bbdb-filters" "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/bbdb-cvs/html/images" "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/bbdb-cvs/html/patches" "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/gnus-cvs/etc/gnus" "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/gnus-cvs/etc/smilies" "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/gnus-cvs/texi/etc" "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/gnus-cvs/texi/herds" "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/gnus-cvs/texi/misc" "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/gnus-cvs/texi/picons" "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/gnus-cvs/texi/ps" "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/gnus-cvs/texi/screen" "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/gnus-cvs/texi/smilies" "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/gnus-cvs/texi/xface" "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/w3-cvs/etc/w3" "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/bbdb-cvs/bits/bbdb-filters/doc" "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/w3-cvs/etc/w3/pixmaps" "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/bbdb-cvs/bits/bbdb-filters/doc/formatted" "/usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/bitmap-mule" "/usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/xslide" "/usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/xae" "/usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/tramp" "/usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/speedbar" "/usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/psgml" "/usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/preview-latex" "/usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/pcl-cvs/" "/usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/lookup-el" "/usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/gnuserv" "/usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/gnus-bonus-el" "/usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/erc" "/usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/emacs-goodies-el" "/usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/eieio" "/usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/dpkg-dev-el" "/usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/debbugs-el" "/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/debbugs-el" "/usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/css-mode" "/usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/calc" "/usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/bbdb" "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/auctex/" "/usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/mule-ucs" "/usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/elib/" "/usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/gnus" "/usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/apel" "/etc/emacs21" "/etc/emacs" "/usr/share/emacs/21.2/site-lisp" "/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp" "/usr/share/emacs/21.2/leim" "/usr/share/emacs/21.2/lisp" "/usr/share/emacs/21.2/lisp/toolbar" "/usr/share/emacs/21.2/lisp/textmodes" "/usr/share/emacs/21.2/lisp/progmodes" "/usr/share/emacs/21.2/lisp/play" "/usr/share/emacs/21.2/lisp/obsolete" "/usr/share/emacs/21.2/lisp/net" "/usr/share/emacs/21.2/lisp/mail" "/usr/share/emacs/21.2/lisp/language" "/usr/share/emacs/21.2/lisp/international" "/usr/share/emacs/21.2/lisp/gnus" "/usr/share/emacs/21.2/lisp/eshell" "/usr/share/emacs/21.2/lisp/emulation" "/usr/share/emacs/21.2/lisp/emacs-lisp" "/usr/share/emacs/21.2/lisp/calendar" "/usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/url" "/usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/ocaml" "/usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/sdic" "/usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/vm" "/usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/gnus" "/usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/w3-el" "/usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/whizzytex") -- American by birth; Texan by the grace of God. 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