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From: Jason Rumney <jasonr@gnu.org>
To: PJ Weisberg <pj@irregularexpressions.net>
Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, ding@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org,
	Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	larsi@gnus.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>,
	miles@gnu.org
Subject: Re: smtp crap
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 22:04:23 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87r52inw60.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJsNXT=C0vS8LJcSwNd2H=SwEjgj+hNSg-M2hDTesgZ+5ASovQ@mail.gmail.com> (PJ Weisberg's message of "Tue, 11 Oct 2011 09:00:45 -0700")

PJ Weisberg <pj@irregularexpressions.net> writes:

> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 7:53 AM, Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> wrote:
>
>> But MOST importantly, what about reporting bugs with `emacs -Q'?
>>
>> That is the real problem here, and the one that you keep
>> ignoring.  Instead, you
>> keep focusing on the problem of customization, which is, relatively
>> speaking, no
>> big deal (assuming you finish fixing the repeated-interrogation bugs).
>
> No, that's not the real problem.  There are two problems:
> (1) What should Emacs do when the user asks it to send an email?
> (2) What should Emacs do when the user asks it to report a bug?
>
> This series of questions is appropriate in scenario 1, but not in
> scenario 2.

In scenario 1, the inclusion of mailclient is a bit pointless - if a
user wants to set Emacs up as a MUA, then they won't want their mail
going through another MUA.  So these questions are obviously intended
for scenario 2.


> report-emacs-bug.  The argument Drew is making would disappear
> instantly if report-emacs-bug sent an HTTP POST request, for instance.

Then we'd have to start asking the user questions about their proxy
server.  It isn't really an improvement.




  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-10-12 14:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-10-08  2:02 Miles Bader
2011-10-08  4:14 ` Chong Yidong
2011-10-08  6:17   ` Drew Adams
2011-10-08  6:48     ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-08  7:03       ` Drew Adams
2011-10-08 13:47       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-10-08 14:20         ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-09 14:50           ` Sivaram Neelakantan
2011-10-09 23:58             ` Tim Cross
2011-10-10 11:19               ` Richard Riley
2011-10-08 14:38         ` Drew Adams
2011-10-09  5:53         ` Tim Cross
2011-10-10 21:43         ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-10 22:05           ` Drew Adams
2011-10-10 22:08           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-10-10 22:12             ` Drew Adams
2011-10-11  3:40             ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-11  5:38               ` Drew Adams
2011-10-11  4:09           ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-11  5:05             ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-11  7:00               ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-11 12:40                 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-11 13:01                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-11 15:42                     ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-11 17:25                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-11 18:51                         ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-11 19:26                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-11 19:46                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-10-11 21:32                               ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-11 22:24                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2011-10-11 20:48                             ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-11 14:53                   ` Drew Adams
2011-10-11 16:00                     ` PJ Weisberg
2011-10-11 16:24                       ` Drew Adams
2011-10-11 21:21                         ` Tim Cross
2011-10-11 22:00                           ` Drew Adams
2011-10-11 22:41                             ` Tim Cross
2011-10-11 22:54                               ` Drew Adams
2011-10-11 22:12                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-11 23:11                             ` Tim Cross
2011-10-12  0:01                               ` Drew Adams
2011-10-12  8:49                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 14:04                       ` Jason Rumney [this message]
2011-10-12 14:33                         ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-12  1:30                 ` Chong Yidong
2011-10-12  3:22                   ` Drew Adams
2011-10-12  4:50                   ` Tim Cross
2011-10-12  6:33                   ` joakim
2011-10-12  8:59                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 10:24                       ` joakim
2011-10-12 11:32                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-12  9:12                     ` Lennart Borgman
2011-10-12 14:16                       ` Jason Rumney
2011-10-12 14:34                         ` Lennart Borgman
2011-10-12 14:47                           ` Drew Adams
2011-10-12 15:21                             ` Lennart Borgman
2011-10-12 11:29                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-12  8:58                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-08  8:17     ` David Engster
2011-10-08  8:52     ` Bastien
2011-10-08 12:36     ` Miles Bader
2011-10-08 14:10     ` Harry Putnam
2011-10-10 21:38     ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-10 22:06       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-10-11  3:38         ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-10 22:08       ` Drew Adams
2011-10-11  0:34       ` Miles Bader
2011-10-11  3:36         ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-11  4:20           ` Miles Bader
2011-10-11  5:03             ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-11  5:38               ` Drew Adams
2011-10-11  5:38             ` Drew Adams
2011-10-11  5:38           ` Drew Adams
2011-10-26 17:58       ` Drew Adams
2011-10-26 18:14         ` Adam Sjøgren
2011-10-26 21:48         ` chad
2011-10-26 22:32           ` Drew Adams
2011-10-26 23:13             ` chad
2011-10-27  0:08               ` Drew Adams
2011-10-27  2:51               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-27  0:23         ` Tim Cross
2011-10-27  1:00           ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-09  1:28 ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2011-10-09  6:06   ` Miles Bader
2011-10-09 14:55     ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2011-10-08  2:08 Miles Bader

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